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Thread: Pandoras Box RESCUE, June 2012
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10-17-2013, 08:51 AM #41
Ice, when we heard about the exit we just look at the mountain saw the crack and went up there.
i did not find very difficult and I am not really a strong hiker or a strong climber.so it really puzzle me how people get in trouble there! like in a lot of other situations.
warning are in place in the description, times are doubled for taking people away,but at the end.....is all about the "expert only " warning that make not prepared people to go there,dragging friends and neighbors in the process!!!
perhaps removing all the gps points and make people learn how to use a map?
they only put the gps points and after is like geocaching!!
probably so many SAR because there is cell reception so people are very quick in calling instead of taking themself out of trouble?
a warning about the cost of SAR?
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10-17-2013 08:51 AM # ADS
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10-17-2013, 08:56 AM #42
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10-17-2013, 09:16 AM #43
Shane, I disagree, Meeks Mesa is way shorter route than going down Chimney, that's why I chose it. There wasn't any water either. It was summer when we did this. Also, after completing Meeks Mesa earlier this year, it's really not that hard, the hardest part is finding the proper route up it. I wasn't lost, on the Meeks Mesa approach, my members couldn't continue. I think either exit we would have taken, the same result would have happened. Plus, once you do figure out the proper route up Meeks, once you hit the top its all flat walking then you're back down hill to where you originally hiked up at.
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10-17-2013, 10:02 AM #44
I'm just telling you the story per the CRNP rangers. And you ovrrlooked the part about water avaiablity in Chimney, which I recall was a major issue for your group. The rangers are really trying to discourage the Meeks exit because of its high SAR rate.
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10-17-2013, 10:04 AM #45
FWIW: The spring in Spring Canyon is year round. The only part that chages is how far down Chimney canyon it flows before sinking into the sand.
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10-18-2013, 11:06 AM #46
I think the main reason of the rescues are
1) is a canyon with long approach and long exit
2) cell reception (edited) could be available more than other places like swell or hanksville
3) everybody says is a beautiful place so that attract a large number of people
if rescues are the main reason to jump the grade why not including the other 2 big SAR canyons: Subway in zion and blue jhon in the roost?
again a warning for the consequent cost of SAR probably is going to be a better deterrent than calling 4-5 or class 10 canyon or adding a warning like:
took 6 quart of water/person ,bivy sack and headlamp?
most of the rescues are due to exaustion more than broken limbs
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10-18-2013, 02:28 PM #47
Cell phone reception is NOT that easy to get there. I tried pretty hard to find a good signal.
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10-18-2013, 03:07 PM #48
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10-18-2013, 03:26 PM #49
Well, since I'm going off of situations in canyons....I've done the easy Baptist Draw 4 times now. On my third trip doing it, we were on the last rappel that heads into Chute Canyon, we started heading up Chute and the son on a bitch was completely full of water. Luckily, again luckily, I had Shane's beta that explained how to go down Chutes Canyon and exit back up to the vehicle, that made for a hell of a trip too. Luckily we were prepared for a long day.
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11-28-2013, 04:11 PM #50
@Bclark29, thanks very much for posting this info. I learn nearly every time canyoneers post about problems they had. It usually comes with criticism, and you got some on here, so I appreciate that you put yourself out, knowing some would come, and posted the details anyway. Thanks again.
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