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Thread: Playin' with a fiddlestick....
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07-31-2013, 02:20 PM #1
Playin' with a fiddlestick....
So I spent some time playing with a fiddlestick this weekend.... and my previous opinion remains unchanged. The fiddlestick does have a use, and 99.99% of all canyoneers will never encounter such a situation or ever have need of a fiddlestick. The fiddlestick is exponentially more dangerous then the typical methods of toss-n-go and biner blocks. The item the fiddlestick is best at is impressing your friends with silly and dangerous rope tricks, while hoping they will be in awe of your skillzz....
The ladezz were impressed with my ability to handle such a big stick....
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07-31-2013 02:20 PM # ADS
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07-31-2013, 03:06 PM #2
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07-31-2013, 03:16 PM #3
Nice [edit] pic and pose there Shane.
Another retrievable anchor thread!
Curious what you recommend as the best retrievable anchor then? Or, you are suggesting never to use ghosting techniques? I know there are many who do not recommend ghosting, hooks, etc.
What constitutes the 0.01% use?
I know some areas request that no webbing is left behind to be seen by casual hikers (i.e. Cassidy Arch). Is your opinion to leave webbing around the tree?
I've used both a fiddlestick type (PVC) a little, and the Omnisling (or just a webbing loop) some. For me personally, I'm not convinced which method I like best. However I am sensitive to others around me and how they use (and perceive) the outdoors (i.e. hiking only) which may be different than how I enjoy it (i.e. canyoneering).
I didn't bring up the advantages of rope pulls, as a fiddlestick can help reduce rope grooves and getting things stuck.
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07-31-2013, 03:30 PM #4
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07-31-2013, 03:30 PM #5
All of the systems you mention use a toggle.... and any system with a toggle has a greatly reduced margin of safety and a greater chance of operator error.
For the 99.99% of the world that needs a retrievable anchor for the occasional rappel (Cassidy Arch, Lomatium, ect). I would suggest the one pictured below because it does not contain a toggle. It is by far the easiest and safest retrievable anchor I know of. This is a much safer technique as the anchor will not release with the rappel line in it.
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07-31-2013, 03:44 PM #6
Here is another retrievable anchor method that does not require a toggle. The first picture has a biner as a safety device. Second picture is for the last man down (LMAR).
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07-31-2013, 04:39 PM #7
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07-31-2013, 04:41 PM #8
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07-31-2013, 05:42 PM #9
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07-31-2013, 05:54 PM #10
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07-31-2013, 06:01 PM #11
You could put a ring on the one end of webbing to prevent rope on webbing drag. Higher chance of getting caught possibly on the pull.
Also have seen the double ring method, where one is bigger than the other allowing a pull through.
I certainly prefer any method that requires 2x rope rather than 3x.
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07-31-2013, 07:01 PM #12
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07-31-2013, 08:24 PM #13I've done it with 200 feet of rope in action at the first rappel of Shillelagh.
I've never tried it, but it seems like once the webbing gets pulled around the anchor point, it would act as a pulley and for each X amount of feet you pulled down, your pull cord would only come up a fraction of that?
Also, I'd imagine that using a bigger anchor like a large boulder would make the pull very difficult, maybe impossible.
Are you going to call Iceaxe an anti-Semite for not agreeing with you?
You could put a ring on the one end of webbing to prevent rope on webbing drag.
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07-31-2013, 08:24 PM #14
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08-01-2013, 06:15 AM #15Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit
http://www.rmru.org/
Personal Website
http://www.DrunkRedDragon.com/adventures.htm
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08-01-2013, 08:53 AM #16
I don't think so. He's very anti Israel (the state of).
MK: "A couple of weeks ago, as I was watching the Israelis bomb and slaughter innocent people is Gaza on TV, I got so mad I wrote a rather rambling letter to the Editors of a number of newspapers, and to all of you. It wasn’t too well thought out, and I guess it’s not a good idea to mix politics with people you don’t know that well."
MK: "If anybody critizies Jews or Israel in any way, they are considered anti-Semitic."
The definition: "Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage."
I think MK used some unfortunate language in his letter to the editor, but, I asked him directly if he was antisemitic. He's very anti Isreal. I think there's a difference. Maybe those lines are blurred for some...and, maybe some of his thoughts and words related to his position on Isreal, the US support of Isreal, etc, muddy those lines up.
Anyhoo...
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08-01-2013, 11:16 AM #17
I hereby nominate this as the best fiddlestick thread. All other fiddlestick threads are all null and voided. Until the first deaths start occurring, then those threads automatically null and void this thread.
Enjoy your supremacy while it lasts Iceaxe. If you have any other pics of you playing with your monster shaft, they are appreciated as well.Your safety is not my responsibility.
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08-01-2013, 11:38 AM #18
Mr. K's letter to many editors are posted here, along with a revealing email of transmittal:
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/rave/0901kelsey/
If you cannot see Mr. K's anti-Semitism in his words, then may Yahweh help you out of your blindness.
Here's a pithy quote to help you out:
Originally Posted by Mr. K
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08-01-2013, 01:05 PM #19Riverside Mountain Rescue Unit
http://www.rmru.org/
Personal Website
http://www.DrunkRedDragon.com/adventures.htm
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08-01-2013, 02:46 PM #20
I would say the Fiddlestick is way safer than posting revealing pics of your wife & kids on the internet, but that's just me.....
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