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05-22-2015, 08:13 AM #121
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05-22-2015 08:13 AM # ADS
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05-22-2015, 12:25 PM #122
Yeah, it doesn't matter what rules are set by responsible adults, this will do nothing to stop teenage boys from being cruel.
This certainty could reinforce the concept of keeping your private life private if you wish to be in scouts - let me rephrase that, be in the scouting program
Otherwise, if gays are allowed, and you are still mocked, ridiculed and made fun of by a bunch of immature teenage boys, who then could you protest to? What actions could you take if the rule has been set, but teenagers are acting like teenagers?
Rules and policies sometimes do nothing to solve a problem.
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05-27-2015, 03:22 PM #123
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05-28-2015, 06:22 AM #124
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05-28-2015, 06:49 AM #125
Hey I say open it up! But if we are expecting better treatment of people because rules and policies are made, that is unfortunate.
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05-28-2015, 12:27 PM #126
Kids are cruel, but kids are also flexible. They look for cues from adults and peers. An organizational bigotry supports the kid's bigotry. Organizational acceptance would encourage kid's acceptance.
The two LDS young men who beat and killed Matthew Sheppard had their prejudices inflamed by the adults around them, including local LDS functionaries. They GOT the message given, which is that Gays should be dead!!! They were not old enough to realize that this was NOT permission to go out and kill Gays.
And the question that has already been brought up, how do sleeping arrangements work?
This question is a question steeped in prejudice. Gays are not predators and rapists, at least not moreso than Heteros. Kids already sleep next to their gay or straight friends. And no, before you suggest otherwise, sleeping in a tent with a gay kid will not make a straight kid gay.
I think what this will do is you will ultimately end up having gay only Scout troops.
Also as a leader I have zero experience with gay youth.
It seems like this might open up an entirely new can of worms for an already law suit happy nation. ....?
I really don't think I will ever see anyone at 12-13 knowingly be gay. So I don't even seeing this changing anything for me. Although at 14-18 I see this more likely but still not much. Really, at what age does one know they are gay. ...? I really don't know the answer.
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05-28-2015, 12:50 PM #127
Question - so if there is a male who is a homosexual and is changing with an "attractive" male in the changing room and checking him out or getting off, etc... (I'm not generalizing and saying that all do - but the point of homosexuality is that you are attracted to YOUR same sex, so naturally, they are going to be attracted to other males in that changing room)...then why shouldn't women be allowed to go into a men's bathroom then? What's the difference there??
So why then, is a there a barrier between men and women while changing? Do a bunch of hetero women want a bunch of hetero men watching them change? This is just a guess but 99% of women will say no. Do a bunch of hetero men want to watch a bunch of hetero men watching them change? This is just a guess, but most men will say no. FYI - *Watching=checking-out that individual in area that is suppose to be private.
If you label yourself as homosexual, then do you naturally want to watch other men change? Yes. If you are a homosexual woman, do you want to naturally watch other women change? Yes.
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05-28-2015, 12:51 PM #128This question is a question steeped in prejudice. Gays are not predators and rapists, at least not moreso than Heteros.
For example, I don't thing I'd want my daughter to go on campouts with heterosexual male leaders.Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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05-28-2015, 12:56 PM #129
Another successful media lie. Matthew Sheppard was beaten to death... NOT because he was gay, NOT because the LDS boys got the message that Gays should be dead (OMG are you serious?). His attackers intended to extract information out of him regarding a large DRUG shipment, and it went South from there.
He wasn't beaten to death because he was gay.
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05-28-2015, 01:01 PM #130Another successful media lie. Matthew Sheppard was beaten to death... NOT because he was gay, NOT because the LDS boys got the message that Gays should be dead (OMG are you serious?). His attackers intended to extract information out of him regarding a large DRUG shipment, and it went South from there.
If you are referring to Stephen Jimenez book (and 20/20 interview), the police, witnesses, and most other people involved disputed the book's information.Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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05-28-2015, 01:13 PM #131
Motives must come into question, at least a bit, when a gay adult male wants to be a leader in an organization for boys. How could motives not come into question? Perhaps it's one of those situations where you just avoid the easy entanglements, if for no other reason than propriety. I wouldn't go to a friend's house if I knew they had cocaine in the house. It's no reflection on how I feel about my friend. It's just wiser to not.
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05-28-2015, 01:36 PM #132
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05-28-2015, 03:26 PM #133The two LDS young men who beat and killed Matthew Sheppard had their prejudices inflamed by the adults around them, including local LDS functionaries. They GOT the message given, which is that Gays should be dead!!! They were not old enough to realize that this was NOT permission to go out and kill Gays.Life is Good
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05-28-2015, 04:33 PM #134
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05-28-2015, 07:49 PM #135
I would not want my young boy spending time alone in the woods with a gay guy. Just like I would not let my daughter go spend time in the woods with a heterosexual man.
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05-29-2015, 06:13 AM #136
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05-29-2015, 06:16 AM #137
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05-29-2015, 06:17 AM #138
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Laramie_Project
the movie version.
Tom
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05-29-2015, 06:30 AM #139
Gays are not pedophiles.
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05-29-2015, 06:32 AM #140
You mean, you do not want your kid sleeping in the same tent as a pedophile?
Gays are not pedophiles.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societa...and_pedophilia
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