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01-16-2013, 03:50 PM #1
Best time for Subway w/ newbies
When is the best time to take newbie
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01-16-2013 03:50 PM # ADS
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01-16-2013, 04:12 PM #2
Depends on the snowpack. In a low to average snow year, mid June to late June can be good because flash floods are rare and thunderstorm season hasn't usually started yet. Sometimes in very heavy snow years it still can have high water then. Days are at their longest then.
I've done it most commonly in early to mid September. The weather then usually isn't quite as hot as mid summer, but the water temperature is usually still pretty warm (comparitively of course). September can still be flash flood season though (but usually not quite as bad as August), so you have to have a really good weather forecast.Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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01-16-2013, 04:16 PM #3
[QUOTE=Chanobelli;523943]When is the best time to take newbie
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01-16-2013, 05:29 PM #4
Depends on your friends, but...
For many, the hike is more of a challenge than the minor technical issues. If your friends are solid hikers, should not be a problem. If your friends are NOT solid hikers, the long, rugged hike out can be a knockout punch, especially in July and August when it is really hot out.
and may I also suggest training them on rappelling before the excursion to Zion?
Tom
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01-16-2013, 05:45 PM #5
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01-16-2013, 06:13 PM #6
Good point. I have a funny story to tell about a lady that got "knocked out" on that exit.
A few years ago, our group arrived at the steep Subway exit after hiking for 10 hours. We had several nurses in our group. Nurses are great at caring for others, but not great at caring for themselves, so they had not trained one minute for the hike. One nurse got about 50 feet up the 500 foot vertical exit ascent, and her quads/hips simply burned out (and she was 25 ish years old and about 60 lbs overweight). A couple of the fellas in the group had to literally push her caboose up the rest of the trail. Luckily she had a good sense of humor about it.
That was during the last week of September and had little to do with the heat.
When it's hot, I just take a dip in the creek and then mosey up the exit trail. I hate carrying crap through The Subway, especially a wetsuit. Hot weather = less crap. YMMV.
Also, In July I've been trapped behind a large group that were putting on wetsuits before the first falls. People that aren't used to wearing wetsuits take foreeeeverrr to put them on. Don't be the doofy group changing into wetsuits when it is 105 degrees outside.
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01-17-2013, 12:12 PM #7
wife and I did Subday in June of 2005, after doing Keyhole the day before. I thought that was fine. Experienced hikers are we, I had prior rap a nd minor rigging experience. The hike out is really annoying, but not a knockout.
We used 3mm full wetsuits, and that was fine too.
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01-17-2013, 02:14 PM #8
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01-17-2013, 02:39 PM #9
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01-17-2013, 02:56 PM #10
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01-17-2013, 04:25 PM #11
If doing the hike out in July or August we just play in the river pools until the exit is in the shade. The exit is east facing and gets the shade in the late afternoon.
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01-17-2013, 04:29 PM #12
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