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01-10-2013, 03:19 PM #21THE MOST TALKED ABOUT CANYONEERING TRIP OF 2017 - WEST CANYON VIA HELICOPTER.
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01-10-2013 03:19 PM # ADS
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01-10-2013, 03:33 PM #22
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01-10-2013, 04:47 PM #23
If you are committed to getting muddy and/or wet, the pothole is no big deal. Kinda fun actually. I can't think of a scenerio where if one went low, you would get into trouble. However, if you try to get cute with it, and go high, yeah you could get hurt badly.
Another concern is rope grooves (with new folks). If you intend to lead, be sure to communicate to your group that preventing grooves are a top priority. Extend all groovy anchors to the edge (or over).
I did forget about the approach... there is one trickyish upclimb. Somewhat exposed 3rd class? Not terrible, but it took us a minute to figure out.
Generally, I agree with Tom, there are many easier (and very good) canyons in the immediate area that should be considered first.THE MOST TALKED ABOUT CANYONEERING TRIP OF 2017 - WEST CANYON VIA HELICOPTER.
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01-13-2013, 01:12 PM #24
Cool, thanks guys. I'll look into those others first.
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01-22-2013, 06:10 AM #25
Just went through on Saturday. A lot of fun. I don't think the approach would be very challenging for someone who has some experience doing more difficult hikes. Also, most of the challenging stuff in the technical portion can be overcome if you have two people with experience in the group (one person to get in and out of the pothole first with another to help up, one experienced person on the long rappel to go first and another to make sure the new people set up right, etc.)
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01-22-2013, 09:42 AM #26
Nice TR Bob! Way to get down n dirty on the pothole escape, looks like fun. Thanks for the canyon maintenance.
The last rappel in Hogwarts might be intense for someone who hasn't rappelled before, because it is overhung and awkward (70-80 feet?).
Also, what was the anchor situation for the short rappel just after the pothole? I've seen a slung hueco/mini arch thing that wasn't confidence inspiring. Any chance it is still a deadman equalized off a cobble?
Would Hogwarts be suitable to me bringing along some canyon newbs?
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01-22-2013, 03:39 PM #27
90 feet. http://www.math.utah.edu/~sfolias/mi...ns/?i=hogwarts
That's probably from the lip. If dry, a deadman near the lip works. When wet, the "Alligator" has become the normal anchor.
Also, it is not necessary to go all the way to the ground. With a little swing, you can get off at the ledge 15' off the ground.
Nothing wrong with tying a piece of webbing to the end of the pull side.
Also, what was the anchor situation for the short rappel just after the pothole? I've seen a slung hueco/mini arch thing that wasn't confidence inspiring. Any chance it is still a deadman equalized off a cobble?
I'd say it should be OK to bring beginners through as long as you know what your doing(especially considering that this thread turned into a step-by-step how-to guide on descending Hogwarts ). NOT leading beginners through canyons with stemming, sketchy downclimbs, or long canyons with rapidfire obstacles and cold water exposure is my rule. I find that the risk from things like anchor problems, potholes escapes and rappelling can often be mitigated by an experienced leader, and those are the type of challenges you'll likely encounter in Hogwarts.
Tom
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01-23-2013, 01:38 AM #28
Hogwarts
Sort if off topic, but....
Who named this canyon? I'll admit I am somewhat anti Harry potter (I've read a couple of the books, and think they're rubbish) and think it totally lacking in creativity and originality to name a canyon after contemporary preteen-targeted, brain rot literature.
Haha! Just thought I'd drop in and stir a pot!
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01-23-2013, 01:43 AM #29
Hogwarts
I guess it kind of depends on how you define beginners. Those two were willfully ignorant. Hopefully an anomaly. I've taken plenty of first-time canyoneers through canyons I've not done before. That said tho, they've all been very physically capable individuals with good rope skill and climbing experience.
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01-23-2013, 06:27 AM #30
We went down last Saturday and there was no water in that pothole. I stemmed over it and my friends dropped in and got out pretty easily. I pointed out to one that I thought they could just pop over the top and chimney down where you came down. It didn't look too bad to me but they weren't excited about it. I think it looks harder from the up canyon side of the pothole. Totally doable though.
- Gavin
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01-23-2013, 10:13 AM #31
Scroll about a third of the way down on Stefan's page:
http://www.math.utah.edu/~sfolias/ca...anyonames/#nlp
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01-23-2013, 05:47 PM #32Also, it is not necessary to go all the way to the ground. With a little swing, you can get off at the ledge 15' off the ground.
You didn't like the hueco?
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01-23-2013, 05:53 PM #33
So, has anyone tried the new anchor on rap #1? Thoughts?
Did anyone think of a better placement and move it? Just curious.THE MOST TALKED ABOUT CANYONEERING TRIP OF 2017 - WEST CANYON VIA HELICOPTER.
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01-25-2013, 10:16 AM #34
When you search out and share canyons, you get to name them. Even when you name them, they may not necessarily stick.
There is a long history of naming rock climbing routes in honor of contemporary pop culture. I have been turned on to some very good novels as a result of doing the routes. Such as Darkness at Noon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkness_at_Noon
It also places the route in a context of time and place, sometimes.
And if it annoys the 2% of the population that dislikes Harry Potter, all the better!
Tom
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01-25-2013, 10:19 AM #35
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01-25-2013, 04:31 PM #36
Re: Hogwarts
If I take beginners through canyons I have not done before I place a premium on who I received the beta from and how much I trust that person.
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