Assault Weapons?

[Sombeech]

[rockgremlin]

Things are about to get real...







...scary.

There is so much emotion tied to this issue that it could invoke a real shit-storm. Who knows....another Newton? Dare I mention that A - word that JFK was well acquainted with?

[Eric Holden]

Things are about to get real...







...scary.

There is so much emotion tied to this issue that it could invoke a real shit-storm. Who knows....another Newton? Dare I mention that A - word that JFK was well acquainted with?

The Secret Service is knocking on your door now...........

[accadacca]

Biden seemed to be having a hard time keeping a straight face...

[rockgremlin]

The Secret Service is knocking on your door now...........

I was referring to Apache helicopters......haven't you seen JFK?

What were you referring to?

[oldno7]

I know no one will be surprised here, but I truly like the new NRA add, along with the FACT it has pissed zero off!

All the while he's dancing on the graves of dead children to fast track an agenda.

[Iceaxe]

NRA RESPONSE TO OBAMA GUN CONTROL PROPOSALS

01/16/2013
Throughout its history, the National Rifle Association has led efforts to promote safety and responsible gun ownership. Keeping our children and society safe remains our top priority.

The NRA will continue to focus on keeping our children safe and securing our schools, fixing our broken mental health system, and prosecuting violent criminals to the fullest extent of the law. We look forward to working with Congress on a bi-partisan basis to find real solutions to protecting America's most valuable asset - our children.

Attacking firearms and ignoring children is not a solution to the crisis we face as a nation. Only honest, law-abiding gun owners will be affected and our children will remain vulnerable to the inevitability of more tragedy.

[Iceaxe]

Ruger just made it simple to write your representatives. It takes only a couple of minutes. Here is the link:

http://www.ruger.com/micros/advocacy/takeAction.html

[ratagonia]

Thought y'all might enjoy this - about the origin of the 2nd Amendment.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890...eserve-slavery

The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

Tuesday, 15 January 2013 09:35By Thom Hartmann, Truthout | News Analysis


The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too.

In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.
In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.



more... follow link above.

[Iceaxe]

about the origin of the 2nd Amendment.

I disagree with Hartmann's interpretation... but that is of little significance.... The reasons and origins of the Second Amendment are not the issue....

The second Amendment says we have a right to firearms as indivduals. The Supreme Court has defined that right..... everything else is secondary...

Our President, Congress and Military have all sworn an oath to protect and uphold the Constitition. Attempting to undermine the Constitution is treasonous. As an American citizen you should defend the Constitition.

If you don't agree with the Constitution then change it. The Constition has a provision so it can be modified as the citizen's see fit.

[oldno7]

Thought y'all might enjoy this - about the origin of the 2nd Amendment.

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13890...eserve-slavery

The Second Amendment was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

Tuesday, 15 January 2013 09:35By Thom Hartmann, Truthout | News Analysis
The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the Framers knew the difference - see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason, and James Madison were totally clear on that . . . and we all should be too.

In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.
In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.



more... follow link above.

So by your flawed logic, and it is flawed,
Your claiming slave patrol militias were the American side of Lexington and Concord

thom hartman is a propagandist. How convenient he just came up with this "theory" YESTERDAY!!! See--the date 1-15-13--PROPAGANDA

And yes--I know you can point me to wikipedia and prove there was such a beast as slave patrols, you CANNOT link them with minutemen militias in any way.

Yes--there was more than one group of people that claimed the militia monikor, not much different today.

[accadacca]

Sorry if this is a repost...

[James_B_Wads2000]

There is no right in the Constitution that is absolute, all of them have limits. You can't yell fire for fun in a crowded theater and call it freedom of speech. Convicted felons can't vote. You can't commit crimes under the protection of your religion. Prisoners can be put into forced labor.

And guess what? Congress can regulate guns. It can't flat out ban all of them, but it most certainly can enact laws restricting them. No conditional provision needed.



James

[oldno7]

And guess what? Congress can regulate guns. It can't flat out ban all of them, but it most certainly can enact laws restricting them. No conditional provision needed.



James

O.K.--could you point me to that passage in the constitution, I'm thinking I just overlooked it somewhere in the complicated wording of the second Amendment.

[oldno7]

I think I was pre mature, sorry James

Congress can legislate guns as well as the President.

It's just that neither can do it lawfully and in accordance with the Bill of Rights.

It has a tendency to lead to challenges in the Supreme court, such as McDonald and Heller

[ratagonia]

Sorry if this is a repost...

Don't know if it is a repost, but it IS a BOGUS Quote. The actual quote is:

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies.
---George Washington's First Annual Message to Congress (January 8, 1790)

http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndbog.html

(which is very much a pro-gun site)

Tom

[ratagonia]

I think I was pre mature, sorry James

Congress can legislate guns as well as the President.

It's just that neither can do it lawfully and in accordance with the Bill of Rights.

It has a tendency to lead to challenges in the Supreme court, such as McDonald and Heller

Even with a disagreement on the meaning of the second amendment (which the SCOTUS has had very few cases about); Congress with the president can pass laws that are unconstitutional. It is not ILLEGAL for them to do so. Depending on the law and who cares about it, it takes a while to wind its way through the courts to a challenge before the Supremes, and they can strike it down and use the opportunity to clarify what is and is not allowable under the Supreme Court's current interpretation of the Constitution.

This is what happened in Heller.

So... there is a process. Please don't pick up your Bushmaster's and start shooting people, YET!

It is currently very unclear as to where the 2nd Amendment limits are. Governments are allowed to manage guns to some extent. What we know is that restrictions like Heller are not allowed. (Heller was pretty extreme, even for a lib like me). We do not know whether Mr. Cuomo's proposed laws in New York will pass muster with the Supremes; or more accurately, which parts will pass muster. Very unpredictable, based on 2nd Amendment prior jurisprudence. And could change with one heart attack.

Jus' sayin'...

[Sombeech]

And guess what? Congress can regulate guns. It can't flat out ban all of them, but it most certainly can enact laws restricting them. No conditional provision needed.



James

Guess what, it already does! People just want more without admitting a hoard of regulations already exist.



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[oldno7]

Even with a disagreement on the meaning of the second amendment (which the SCOTUS has had very few cases about); Congress with the president can pass laws that are unconstitutional. It is not ILLEGAL for them to do so. Depending on the law and who cares about it, it takes a while to wind its way through the courts to a challenge before the Supremes, and they can strike it down and use the opportunity to clarify what is and is not allowable under the Supreme Court's current interpretation of the Constitution.

This is what happened in Heller.

So... there is a process. Please don't pick up your Bushmaster's and start shooting people, YET!

It is currently very unclear as to where the 2nd Amendment limits are. Governments are allowed to manage guns to some extent. What we know is that restrictions like Heller are not allowed. (Heller was pretty extreme, even for a lib like me). We do not know whether Mr. Cuomo's proposed laws in New York will pass muster with the Supremes; or more accurately, which parts will pass muster. Very unpredictable, based on 2nd Amendment prior jurisprudence. And could change with one heart attack.

Jus' sayin'...

Since you have quoted(unintentionally) most of my prior made points on SCOTUS, thanks, glad your following along.

You made a slight though, but I'm sure unintentional on your behalf. I never mentioned congress or the president passing unconstitutional law as "ILLEGAL", as you suggest in bold print. I stated it was unlawful. BIG difference!!

So tell me tom, Why do you, as the owner of imlay canyon gear, fear lawful gun owners?

Have you been attacked in Mt. Carmel by armed madmen? Have you been accosted by armed groups passing through the Zion tunnel?

Seriously, why do YOU fear an individuals right to own a gun?

[oldno7]

So... there is a process. Please don't pick up your Bushmaster's and start shooting people, YET!

Bushmaster??? I heard those things are dangerous, I would never consider.

Besides--doncha know, guns don't kill people, static ropes do!!!!