Greater Canyonlands National Monument???

[Sandstone Addiction]

I just heard on KSL radio that environmental groups are requesting that Pres Obama use his powers to create a new national monument adjacent to CNP? I can't find anything on their website.

Has anyone heard anything about this?

[Kuya]

Gah!

[tallsteve]

SUWA- no big surprise there. http://www.suwa.org/protect-greater-canyonlands/

[hike.higher]

More here: http://www.pitchengine.com/blackdiam...ional-monument

[Sandstone Addiction]

I looked at the map on the link and am stunned at the area involved! If I'm looking at it correctly, it basically stretches from Hanksville on the west to Moab on the east and from UT 95 on the south to 15 miles south of Green River on the north.

This is insane.

[Sandstone Addiction]

More here: http://www.pitchengine.com/blackdiam...ional-monument

I guess I've bought my last Chinese made POS from BD.

[stefan]

i never mind seeing threads like this up here in general discussion, especially since more folks are likely to see them, but threads like this on bogley are typically discussed in/routed to the environmental issues subforum.

[Iceaxe]

Here is the map:



At the moment it looks more like this is just SUWA making noise more than anything else.

The area included contains some of the best canyoneering on the planet. I can hardly wait to stand in more permit lines, deal with more red tape and be forced into long hikes to access because of road closures.... I vote NYET!

[stefan]

The area included contains some of the best canyoneering on the planet. I can hardly wait to stand in more permit lines, deal with more red tape and be forced into long hikes to access because of road closures.

escalante has few of the problems you speak of ...

[Iceaxe]

escalante has few of the problems you speak of ...

How do you figure? Maybe not as bad as some National Parks but it has red tape.... it's also not a National Park, but only a monument so the red tape is less as the management is less strict.

Free backcountry permits for backpacking are already required in escalante, free backcountry permits is how it all began in Zion.
And we won't even go into what the ATV crowd, mining and oil think of Escalante.

[stefan]

How do you figure? Maybe not as bad as some National Parks but it has red tape.... it's also not a National Park, but only a monument so the red tape is less as the management is less strict.

what is being discussed is a national monument, not a national park. personally i would rather wilderness designations so it doesn't place such a large bullseye on the area, but that's another issue ...

Free backcountry permits for backpacking are already required in escalante, free backcountry permits is how it all began in Zion.

it's not clear escalante is going to become the next zion. but if you're gonna assume the worst, then we should flip the issue and assume the worst if the region doesn't get more protection.

And we won't even go into what the ATV crowd, mining and oil think of Escalante.

road closures affecting the OHV crowd is one thing. not sure how mining and oil are relevant to your comment about recreational access.

[Iceaxe]

I'd rather they just leave things as they are.... it's a known from a canyoneering perspective and it would be pretty hard to improve on what canyoneers currently have. We currently have few rules, no permits, no other people. I don't see how creating a huge ass monument is going to benefit us in any way.... more rules, more crowds, more permits.... I say no thank you...

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[Iceaxe]

Proposal for Canyonlands monument draws fire
Outdoors • Utah’s Congress delegation, governor say retailers’ proposal is a bad idea.
By brett prettyman - The Salt Lake Tribune


As a former Canyonlands National Park ranger, Audrey Graham understands the value of expanding protection on the 1.4 million acres of federal lands surrounding the remote southeastern Utah park. As a current Grand County Council member, she also sees the benefits for the large number of businesses in Moab that depend on outdoor-related recreation.
But, as a realist, she understands not all Utahns will agree with her on both accounts.
Despite guaranteed serious opposition, more than 100 outdoor recreation-related businesses and the Outdoor Industry Association (OIA) sent a letter Tuesday to President Barack Obama asking him to create the Greater Canyonlands National Monument.
Leaders of the group say continued and increasing threats to the 1.4 million acres of federal wildlands around the park forced their hands to go the unpopular route — particularly in Utah — of asking the president for the designation.
Push-back from at least two members of Utah’s congressional delegation was swift.
“This is clearly a process that’s trying to do an end run around what is good for Utah,” said Rep. Rob Bishop, R-Utah, who leads the House subcommittee on public lands.
He and Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, whose congressional district includes much of the proposed monument, are drafting a letter to Obama outlining their opposition to creating a new national monument using the Antiquities Act, a process that makes Republican leaders in the state irate.
A national monument is similar to a national park but can be established by the president without congressional approval. President Bill Clinton used that power to create the 1.9 million-acre Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument in southern Utah in 1996, outraging many Beehive State politicians.
Bishop notes the outdoors groups are not talking with Utah officials about how those lands should be managed and says this is one reason state leaders are fighting with the federal government for more control over these federally managed lands.
“If there was ever a poster child for why Utah needs to have a greater voice in its future,” Bishop said, “this kind of proposal is it.”
The congressman said a national monument designation would give the outdoor retailers “an economic monopoly” in the area to the detriment of ranchers, miners and ATV enthusiasts, among others.
Ashley Korenblat, president of Western Spirit Cycling in Moab, indicated in an OIA conference call with news media Tuesday that a legislative route toward protection for the Greater Canyonlands has seemed out of reach.
“Congress has not passed any land-protection bills or are working on any anywhere in the country, and the legislative option does not present things in a timely manner. We really do have threats happening,” she said. “One of the most powerful and quickest-moving tools is the national monument. We are open to other suggestions, but we are working toward that designation.”
Scott Groene, executive director of the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance, welcomes the outdoor industry to the cause and says he is not surprised that the group went right to the president for help.
“Utah politicians have been begging for this,” Groene said. “Governor [Gary] Herbert launched his attack on our public lands by demanding the federal government give him 30 million acres of land and by filing over 20 lawsuits about roads. That is not a way to invite discussion. People’s favorite places and their businesses are threatened, and that triggers a reaction to seek protection”.
A Herbert spokeswoman said the governor’s office was not contacted by anyone seeking the national monument designation and would oppose its creation by the president.
“We certainly hope we don’t have another Bill Clinton approach to creating a monument,” Ally Isom said. “Canyonlands was established by statute and any expansion ought to be rightly created by statute as well.”
Leaders of the group that crafted the letter to the president said in a conference call Tuesday that they don’t plan on massive changes should Greater Canyonlands National Monument become a reality.
“Most [changes] would have to do with resource extraction,” Korenblat said. “The way the leasing system now works for oil and gas is that there are no specifics of where a drill pad and a road will go. Specifics are important. How do we make sure the recreation economy can continue and don’t kill the golden goose laying the golden eggs?”
Bruce Adams, chairman of the San Juan County Commission, was not familiar with the monument proposal, but said he doesn’t see the need.
“I’m surprised. I didn’t know there was this terrible problem,” he said. “We work closely with the Bureau of Land Management to keep ATV [all-terrain vehicle] people from going pell-mell across the land. There have been no extraction leases offered in that area for tens of years. Why do we need another layer of public land control for the residents of San Juan County?”
The OIA, international, national and local businesses that signed the letter to the newly re-elected president maintain now is a good time to pursue the designation with the Obama administration.
“This is not a sprint; probably more like an ultra-marathon,” said Utah’s Black Diamond Equipment President Peter Metcalf, one of the letter’s signers. “For the next four years we feel we have an administration open to this idea.”
He likened the issue to urban zoning that determines land adjacent to a residential community is incompatible with an oil refinery.
“It is incompatible to build bars or porn shops near a school or build a Wal-Martcq near the temple,” he said. “It doesn’t mean we are against those things, it just means there is a place for all those things. I am not against the extractive industries. We all use the results.”
Other signers of the OIA letter include Backcountry.com, Petzl, Rim Tours, Moab Cliffs and Canyons and Canyon Voyages Adventure Co. More than 40 Utah companies are on the list.
Studies by the Outdoor Industry Association — which holds annual winter and summer market outdoor retailer conventions in Salt Lake City bringing in $42.5 million to the local economy — show the outdoor industry generated $646 billion in national sales and services in 2011 and provided 6.1 million jobs.
A 2006 report from the Outdoor Industry Foundation showed that the outdoor recreation industry contributes $5.8 billion to Utah’s economy and supports 65,000 jobs in the state. Additionally, nearly $300 million in annual sales tax revenues are collected from the industry and $4 billion is produced annually in retail sales and services.
The idea of protecting the Greater Canyonlands area — which includes parts of San Juan, Grand, Wayne and Garfield counties — is not new. In fact, the area was considered for protection during National Park Service surveys in the 1930s. Proposals to incorporate the Greater Canyonlands into National Park Service management have come and gone through the years.
The most recent came in March 2011, when conservation groups — including the Southern Utah Wilderness Association, Sierra Club, National Parks Conservation Association, Great Old Broads for Wilderness and the Natural Resources Defense Council — sent a letter to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar requesting protection from “rampant off-road-vehicle abuse, proposed uranium and tar sand mining, and oil and gas development.”

[Scott Card]

Where is the list of businesses?

[Dman]

Yeah I would love to see the list of people I will never purchase from again.

[Sandstone Addiction]

List of businesses:

Outdoor Industry Association--Boulder, CO--Frank Hugelmeyer
Black Diamond Equipment--Salt Lake City, UT--Peter Metcalf
Backcountry.com--Park City, UT--Jill Layfield
Eastern Mountain Sports--Peterborough, NH--Will Manzer
Petzl--Clearfield, UT--Roody Rasmussen
Western Spirit Cycling--Moab, UT--Ashley Korenblat
Patagonia--Ventura, CA--Casey Sheahan
PROBAR LLC--Salt Lake City, UT--Jules Lambert
Gregory Mountain Products--Salt Lake City, UT--Billy Kulczycki
Mountain Hardwear--Richmond, CA--Topher Gaylord
Canyon Voyages Adventure-Company--Moab, UT--Don and Denise Oblak
Rim Tours--Moab, UT--Kirstin Peterson
Teva--Goleta, CA--Joel Heath
Moki Mac--Green River, UT--Bob Quist
Moab Cliffs and Canyons--Moab, UT--Brett Sutteer
Jansport--Morland, KS--Skip Yowell
Lost River Clothing—Company--Moab, UT--Dave Knowles
Skinny Tire Events ----Road Cycling in Moab--Moab, UT--Beth Logan
Red Wing Shoes--Red Wing, MN--Bill Sweasy
Canyonlands Field Institute--Moab, UT--Karla VanderZanden
Miguel’s Baja Grill--Moab, UT--Dave Bodner
Camelbak--Petaluma, CA--Sally McCoy
Magpie Adventures--Moab, UT--Maggie Wilson
Ekletica [B]Caf

[chromehead58]

Save it before the state buys it....you act as though that will save it. Bishop says this is a poster child for getting the federal government out of the lands in Utah...I could not agree with him more, only to me it is why we need them. The state is trying to do a large land grab and these lands are part of the land grab. Now before you go and think that is a good idea, Go try and fish Ogden Canyon now and see how state control effects areas. As for a longer hike to the canyons, right on, less people...as for me and my family we will use the above list as a guide of who to purchase out outdoor goods from...
But what do I know...I am just a average Joe that does not know shit about shit...

[oldno7]

Yep--I will boycott these business' including Imlay Canyon Gear!!!

Wear out the old stuff and replace with other vendors.............

[Scott Card]

I guess for me (and I will tone down my opinion substantually) I have little belief that the federal government can do anything better than the state government. BTW, I sure like the non US business on the list. Glad they have an opinion on our land.

[Sandstone Addiction]

I don't really see why we need to change anything...

I don't mind seeing a few oil wells near Island in the Sky...in fact, my kids think they are cool. I'm sure that when they are finished pumping, the area will be restored.

Mining was another reason for all this, again minimal impact. Is there any mining in this region besides the Potash Plant near Moab? After all, we can thank the miners for the history and many of roads we have come to love and appreciate.

As far as OHV's go...it's too bad a very small percentage of people ruin it for the rest of us. I teach my boys and others we ride with to stay on the trail and minimize the impact. I don't think I'm the only one teaching this as there less and less off trail riding every year. Take Devil's Racetrack for instance, you can see the scars from riding on the hills, but they are slowly fading and it won't be long until they will be unrecognizable. Education is the key, but it will take some time.

IMHO, of course.