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    Death Valley Wilderness (read: Canyoneering) Mgmt Plan COMMENTS

    From our buddy Abby Snow:

    The last chance to comment on Death Valley National Park's proposed
    Wilderness Plan is open now through October 9.
    The pdf document is posted at
    http://parkplanning.nps.gov/DEVAWildernessPlanEA , which is the same
    place you respond with your comments. You may also submit comments in
    writing to: Superintendent, Death Valley NP, ATTN: Wilderness Plan
    Comments, P.O. Box 579, Death Valley, CA 92328.
    It's a large document. The PDF pages that are relevant to canyoneering
    are:
    pg 88 (Day Use Guided Canyoneering Groups: Not allowed in wilderness)
    pg 90-91 (Day use permits would be required for all private
    canyoneering trips due to the limited routes available, the increasing
    popularity of the sport, and the challenging conditions that Death
    Valley’s canyons present. Depending on patterns of visitor use, permits
    could be adapted to allocate routes on a per day, per party basis. The
    permit system would be phased in and would include online access to
    permits. Permits may be free or for a nominal cost, depending on the
    requirements for the permit system selected. All permits would include
    terms and conditions to require clean and safe canyoneering practices,
    environmental sensitivity, and respect for other park visitors.)
    pg 98 (Climbing and canyoneering are both legitimate recreational
    pursuits, but there are limitations on where they may be appropriate
    and under what conditions. It is anticipated that Servicewide guidance
    on this issue will be forthcoming. In its absence, the park will adopt
    the following restrictions in all three action alternatives.
    No new climbing hardware may be left in a fixed location; however, if
    an existing bolt or other hardware is unsafe, it may be replaced.
    Intensively bolted routes are not appropriate in wilderness. The
    physical altering of rock surfaces such as chiseling or the intentional
    removal of lichens or plants, glue reinforcement of exiting holds, and
    gluing of new holds is prohibited. The use of motorized drills is
    prohibited within wilderness and rock climbing is not allowed within
    200 yards of an archeological or cultural site.).
    The document lists 4 alternatives, but Alternative D is the park's
    preferred alternative. The quotes above are from Alternative D.
    The last draft was might more restrictive. Those of you that know me,
    feel free to ask me about the back story. . .
    -Abby Snow
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    Re: Death Valley Wilderness (read: Canyoneering) Mgmt Plan COMMENTS

    Thanks, I forwarded that on to some folks who live closer to the area and are avid backcountry users.

    I wanted to comment on the ridiculous amount of low-level military flying over the Park, but unfortunately NPS doesn't have the power to do anything about that.

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    Re: Death Valley Wilderness (read: Canyoneering) Mgmt Plan COMMENTS

    Regarding low level military flyovers, agreed. A few years back we had a jet fly right over us on the road going out to the Racetrack, so close to the ground I could clearly see the pilots head/helmet as he gave a nod, maybe 35' off the ground, 30-40' away. He came right at us from several miles away.

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    Re: Death Valley Wilderness (read: Canyoneering) Mgmt Plan COMMENTS

    Quote Originally Posted by Mojave Silence View Post
    Regarding low level military flyovers, agreed. A few years back we had a jet fly right over us on the road going out to the Racetrack, so close to the ground I could clearly see the pilots head/helmet as he gave a nod, maybe 35' off the ground, 30-40' away. He came right at us from several miles away.
    that there be the sound of freedom!!
    I can see your point, but you are still full of shit!

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