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07-31-2012, 08:14 AM #141
Sorry if I wasn't clear, but yeah, I know all that. I make it a point to not canyon with large groups, especially Youth Groups. That is why none of those "advantages" really add up to much for us, as I said in my earlier post. We consider six persons to be a "large" group, for wilderness and safety reasons.
Tom was asking why folks set up contingency anchors instead of Stone knots in non-class C canyons so I responded with the reasons that we sometimes do.
We like to keep the bag at the top, for rope management and rescue reasons. Your "drop the bag and biner block it" method is messier than our current setup. But thanks anyway.
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07-31-2012 08:14 AM # ADS
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07-31-2012, 08:26 AM #142
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07-31-2012, 08:30 AM #143
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07-31-2012, 08:41 AM #144
I'm reading through these threads and learning from the experienced folks... I've done shy of a hundred canyons now (still a beginner among giants), and have never had to lower anyone in an emergency yet (doesn't mean it will not happen). It seems that with 3-4+ people, the efficiency gained with a stone knot method outweighs the figure eight block "ready to lower" method. As long as you are proficient, confident, and safe at converting the stone to a lower method.
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07-31-2012, 09:49 AM #145
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10-29-2012, 03:50 PM #146
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10-30-2012, 09:12 AM #147
That is indeed my view of the locking modification (half twist of the second bight that captures a low-tension strand under a high-tension strand), though to be fair, I think it is contingency-releasable sometimes and secure always. In some circumstances, that may be more desirable than contingency-releasable always and secure sometimes. A different way I'm using now that I haven't seen anyone else use is to add an extra half-wrap around the stem just before feeding the second bight back through the big hole. In my limited testing, that seems to be contingency-releasable always and secure almost-always -- a slight but noticeable improvement over the non-wrap versions (both the non-locking half-twist and the no-twist for the second bight). More info here, and I hope to keep updating it:
http://ropewiki.com/index.php/Figure_8_block
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