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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    Do the math... Don't get sucked in with all the other sheep.

    Math tip - Points dropped is not percentage lost.

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    futures off 800 this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twotimer View Post
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    The bond market is saying not only bankrupt, but bankrupt in the next 4 days before the April 1 bonds mature. We'll see if this happens.
    WLL filed Chapter 11 this morning. It's informative to follow these bankruptcy stories to see how the stock and bonds make out.

    Details: The Plan will provide for, among other things: (1) significant de-leveraging of the Company’s capital structure by over $2.2 billion through the exchange of all of the Notes for 97% of the new equity of the reorganized Company to be issued pursuant to the Plan; (2) payment in full in cash and/or refinancing of the Company’s revolving credit facility; (3) the payment in full in cash of all other secured creditors, tax and other priority claimants, and employees; and (4) the Company’s existing equity holders receiving 3% of the new equity of the reorganized Company and warrants (as described in the Term Sheet)."

    So the bonds holders are given 97% ownership and the existing stock holders get 3%. Looking at the bonds this morning, all of them are trading at less than 10 cents on the dollar.

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    VSTO up 5% this morning

    up over 100% since I mentioned it here.
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    GDX up over 3% today
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    So instead of my money being down 2 1/2% this morning--It's up 4%

    I believe this divergence will grow exponentially,
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    GDX hitting 5%
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldno7 View Post
    So instead of my money being down 2 1/2% this morning--It's up 4%

    I believe this divergence will grow exponentially,
    The spread as been ^
    6%-7% thus far today, will be fun to track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldno7 View Post
    The spread as been ^
    6%-7% thus far today, will be fun to track.

    End of day spread:

    Dow -4.44%

    GDX + 4.3%

    Spread 8.74%
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    Futures were up 400 about 30 min ago, now down 200
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    GDX will gap up biggly this morning,
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    Dow holding steady--GDX up 2-2 1/2%

    As I've said--I switched to Gold based funds for preservation of capital,

    My thought about a 90 year cycle would expand capital.

    I'd be happy not to lose capital as the indices drop.

    If I can expand even half, a quarter of the 1929 run up, I'd be ecstatic.
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    At the 2 hour mark for the markets--DOW is up 1%ish

    GDX up 6%ish
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    DOW has been playing in the +300 point range this morning.

    It is now back to the open.

    If the open support goes out, it could be a negative afternoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldno7 View Post
    End of day spread:

    Dow -4.44%

    GDX + 4.3%

    Spread 8.74%
    Dow +2.24% today(since selling out of indices -2.2%)

    GDX +4.2% today(since buying GDX +8.5%)

    Spread--10.7%
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldno7 View Post
    Dow +2.24% today(since selling out of indices -2.2%)

    GDX +4.2% today(since buying GDX +8.5%)

    Spread--10.7%
    DOW-1.69%(Since selling -3.89%)

    GDX-0.36%(Since buying 8.14%)

    Spread 12.03%
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    Stocks go up and stocks go down...

    Most the shit oldno7 posts is Chinese.

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    Simple business/market math.
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    But I can give you cliff notes

    I have mathematical indicators that had me get out of all indices funds prior to crash

    The market crashed 36%

    I was buying and losing money as the market went down.

    The market rebounded about 25%

    In that 25% recovery I made a 4.75% profit from my buying as the market dropped.

    I then got back out of all indices based funds and went to Gold based fund(GDX)

    Since getting back out of indices, the DOW has dropped 3.89%

    GDX is up 8.14% since I bought it.

    So to put it into dollars that you understand.

    If you had a 1,000,000 account at the top and bought into the lows as it dropped, then sold on the pullback, your account would be 1,045,000 when I got out of indices and bought gold.

    As of today, that same account that was worth 1,000,000 at DOW-29,568, is now worth 1,130,063.

    A buy and holder who had 1,000,000 at DOW 29,568, today would have approximately $720,000 as the market is 28%ish off the highs.

    A difference of $410,063.

    Now of course no one has that kind of money in their retirement account, so you can use whatever factor that is applicable.
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    The "spread" I post is the price difference between if I would have held indice based mutual funds but instead went 100% into gold fund(GDX)

    That happened on the last pullback and I posted about it.

    I've posted every move I've made and explained why, as they were happening or before.

    To me--someones Chinese is my knowledge of Market math and Market history and the ability to make money knowing that chinese.

    Thats all.

    The bogley person I worked with over the last year knows a lot of what I'm speaking of.

    I believe that person has made good money using my system and that person, as of the other day, was into GDX.

    So buying and holding nets you $720,000 left from your $1,000,000 account.

    Knowing Market math and market history nets that same account $1,130,063

    So I guess knowing "chinese" has it's benefits

    And the spread on those numbers should grow--Bigley.

    As a side note for those who believe the market will always come back, they are likely correct.

    The 1929 crash came back in 26years.

    And it's very likely we have new lows to hit here.

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