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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...XKR?li=BBnbfcN

    It's BS like this coming out of the mouths of these people that I just don't get. It's just a bunch of crap meant to keep the poor people poor and keep their voters happy that they are disgusted. All the while, you can bet that they themselves are neck deep in money coming from the increase in the value of their own investments.

    If they would spend half the energy they spend on demonizing Wall Street in educating people in how to use it to their own advantage, people would be better off. That would mean that they would run out of voters though, so it's never going to happen.

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    I'll say it again.... people are not poor because they have no money. People are poor because they don't know how to manage money.

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  5. #743
    I have a slightly different take on the above. AOC's headline statement is correct: a high DOW is meaningless to most people.

    MAGAers have to remember if we are to keep this new coalition, we want the firehouse of wealth to be spraying to the working class. Rather than spraying overseas and into corp pockets. Profitability- what the DOW is measuring- coming from the easy China trade does little for the nation and certainly doesn't help Trump with working class voters.

    The brilliance of Trump was running pro-biz, pro-worker. Gotta keep the 2nd part going.

  6. #744
    Something like 70% of working Americans have money in some type of retirement plan.... a strong Wallstreet helps all of those people. So I disagree with AOC.

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    Yep. That's the big fat truth that Bernie and Pocahontas won't admit to when they start jumping on the Wallstreet bashing bandwagaon. They take for granted that their minions don't realize that a big bulk of Wall street is comprised of 401k, pensions, and retirements for hard working blue collar workers, and paint the picture that it's full of fat cat millionaires that are 'steeling' the profits of the workers backs.
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    Valid points above. AOC's comment was, a high DOW is "meaningless." A better point would be it's meaningless in perceived importance.

    Most people don't understand how important efficiency and profitability are to a high standard of living and high wages. Profit has been demonized. Stock holdings in retirement accounts probably doesn't register to many.

    That said, Tucker Carlson is sober about the chances of Dems sweeping, saying the other night Trump is slightly favored to win. There is still a serious decay of our cities leaving people behind. Given that, not hard to say Dem messaging has and will continue to infect many.

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    ^ To add. Tucker's comments put it better than I can. Really good read. He is the single best pundit, who truly understands the dynamics at play.

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tuck...ctory-election

    Snippet:

    "But dig a little deeper. A Pew poll from this fall provides a glimpse of what is actually happening in a lot of parts of the country. In that survey, 56 percent of Americans said the economy was excellent or good, and that's good news. But then there was this: Only 31 percent of the economy was helping them and their families. Just 32 percent thought the current economy was helping the middle class, 58 percent thought the opposite.

    Among lower-income Republicans, 47 percent said economic conditions were hurting them; just 30 percent said they were helping. Now keep in mind, these aren't sociology professors from the Oberlin faculty lounge. This is the president's core, it's his base.

    Why do they feel that way? It's not personal. It's just really simple.

    For a lot of middle class people, wages are not keeping pace with expenses. Child care, housing, education, health care -- they're all getting more expensive by the year. The student loan bubble is still inflating. It's burdening young people with debts so large, they can't start families.

    Now, these are economic problems, but they require a political solution. The candidate who makes it easier for 30-year-olds to get married and have kids will win the election and will deserve to win. Remember that. It's truer than any economic theory conceived on any college campus in the last hundred years.

    Improve people's lives, and they will vote for you. Period. Republicans ought to write that on our hands. Otherwise, the temptation will be to focus entirely on the lunacy on display on the left right now.

    Democrats have gone crazy, and it's definitely worth pointing that out repeatedly. We do it five nights a week. But it's not enough to win. Winning candidates come with their own program. They convince voters they will make things better.

    Bernie Sanders may get the Democratic nomination, and if he does, every Republican in Washington will spend the next 10 months reminding you that socialism does not work and never has worked. And they'll be right, obviously.

    But if Sanders pledges to forgive student loans, he will still win many thousands of voters who went for Donald Trump last time. Why? Because debt is crushing an entire generation of Americans. Republicans need to make a plan to make it better, or they will be left behind.

    And one more piece of advice: Don't ignore the social issues. The Republican establishment despises this conversation. If it's not about tax rates, they don't want to talk about it."

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    I just found this little gem... LMAO...



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    Yea, I saw that also.^^^^^

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  17. #750
    ^ What an idiot. At the time, the highly likely corporate tax cuts were an easy to see goose to earnings, and the market by extension.

    I argue caution now, granted, but just because I don't think the risk of a Dem win is priced in.

  18. #751
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    but just because I don't think the risk of a Dem win is priced in.
    ROFLMAO

    A Dem win.... you crack me up.... not a chance in hell any of the current top 4 can unseat Trump.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    ROFLMAO

    A Dem win.... you crack me up.... not a chance in hell any of the current top 4 can unseat Trump
    I know we differ, and I desperately want to be wrong. But stats and demographics tell me otherwise.

    I'd rank the likely outcomes in 2020 as:

    Dem sweep 40%
    Dem narrow win, maybe R senate 20%
    Rep narrow win, 35%
    Rep sweep, 5%

    Call me crazy. Point to immigration numbers, death numbers, HS graduations, or pop culture movers indicating larger numbers of Americans in existence. Plenty more third worlders, border jumpers, and brainwashed kids since 2016, and fewer of us as we die off.

    Recall, with 1980's electorate, Trump won 60-40. He lost 52-48 with 2016's.

    I'm doing my yearly analysis and rebalancing. I'm seeing some depressed names in energy that have priced in the Dem risk. So the entire market isn't ostrich-ing.

  20. #753
    What most people fail to realize and what the polls and mainstream never point out is the general presidential election really only involves 6 states. Win the majority in those states, where Trump is currently leading, and you win the presidency. This makes Trumps task amazing simple as he can focus most of his time, energy and money on those 6 states.

    Of more interest to me at the moment is who will Trump face as the Challenger. The Democrats are currently forced to spend their war chest in an attempt to win the nomination, and to make matters worse they are forced to spread their time, energy and money across all 50 states.

    Anything is possible as Hillary only had to win the same six states as Trump does, the difference is Hillary took those states for granted and never even bother to visit two of them. Hillary somehow managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with her hubris. Trump will not make the same mistake.

    2020 is really about who controls the Senate and House and what this impeachment bullshit is really all about. The Democrats are attempting to scar GOP Senators in tenuous positions in the 2020 election. If Democrats can get the Senate they can neuter Trump the same way the GOP did Obama. As LBJ famously said "The House is chicken shit, the Senate is chicken salad."

    Trump now has 187 Federal judges including 2 SCOTUS picks to his credit. Trump and McConnell have already made a huge impact on history with that. If the GOP can hold the Senate for another 4 years Trump will eventually go down in history as one of the top 5 most influential presidents ever.

    YMMV

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    This damn Coronavirus is killing stocks... that is all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    This damn Coronavirus is killing stocks... that is all...

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    Not nearly as bad as if we get more romney sellouts in the Senate trial.

    I'd venture if it goes to more witness', today, we see a 800+ drop Monday.
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    Dow dropped 600 points today.

    I thought between with the impending Trump acquittal and the sunrise of Brexit (https://www.ksl.com/article/46711648...to-the-unknown), that stocks would be shooting for the stars today.

    Instead, apparently fears over the Bud Light..err Coronavirus has everyone selling off.?? https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/31/stoc...emergency.html

    Is this virus really that serious, or just an overhyped media scare? At this point, it seems to be something at least Wallstreet is definitely paying attention to.
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  24. #757
    Wallstreet hates uncertainty, and I think that's the big issue with the Coronavirus. No one really knows what the extent of the virus will be. A deadly pandemic has been a major concern of world health organizations for years.

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    The markets move in an almost pure mathematical path, known to those who use such indicators as "technical" traders or investors.

    When the market exceeds it's highs on a regular basis it brings true value of stocks to an unhealthy level known as overbought/overpriced.

    This position of the market(overbought) is unhealthy, it is the ultimate definition of inflation.

    All investors and traders know these levels must correct and always do.

    There are mathematical ways to predict when this might happen that are more often than not connected to a fundamental reason.

    While the timing of such corrections can be timed, the price also has a series of levels that are predetermined.

    The lower the level, in a correction is often tied to a basis in fundamentals.

    While a strong market will and needs to correct, the depth of correction is generally not as severe in a strong market.

    So while we often look for a fundamental reason to blame on a market drop, often it was just mathematically time.

    Keep in mind that while a market is putting in new high after new high, it is exceeding the value of everything that relates to those stocks.

    So--while our retirement accounts are reaping the rewards, our cost of all goods always exceeds their true value.

    ie. we pay $500 for a computer that last year was $300, $4 for bread that was $3 last year and so on....
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    ^^^I have a degree in Mathematics, and specialized in statics..... I wish predicting stocks were that simple....

    The part I can agree with is over time statically you should hit your numbers, but there is a lot more to it then that... if it were as simple as plugging into a formula I'd have retired long ago...

    YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe View Post
    ^^^I have a degree in Mathematics, and specialized in statics..... I wish predicting stocks were that simple....

    The part I can agree with is over time statically you should hit your numbers, but there is a lot more to it then that... if it were as simple as plugging into a formula I'd have retired long ago...

    YMMV
    There was no mention of simple.

    It is time consuming and a job.

    Results can never be 100% but right enough to outperform a buy and hold investor.
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