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Thread: Beta for Trail Canyon
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04-22-2012, 06:39 PM #21"About 500m beyond R2 will be the narrowest part. At one point you'll have to UC
about 2m to pass a narrow spot. After that, and just before the slot ends, will
be a place where only the skinniest folk can pass; everyone else will
have to chimney up a meter or two..." Tech Slot Guide 2nd
Ed.
Climb-Utah's beta http://climb-utah.com/Powell/trail1.htm mentions a much
higher degree of skills required.Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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04-22-2012 06:39 PM # ADS
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04-22-2012, 07:49 PM #22
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04-22-2012, 09:23 PM #23
I guess I should be more specific next time. I was really just looking for a description of the approach and where to drop in. Also where to find maps. (although I have some now) and water conditions. Thanks for all the thechnical information though still! I'm excited to experience it!
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04-22-2012, 10:59 PM #24
Tom, Shane, love the beta but these climbing ratings I read seem kinda, what's the word?, inaccurate. What standard ru using? Are they canyoneering ratings? I climb a fair bit, not really that good, and doing a 5.9 trad climb up, or down, WITH rock shoes can be pretty dang challenging (except for 1/2 of Boulder it seems, which does nothing for my ego). And for Trail people r doing a 5.9 free solo climb, no pro, wearing approach shoes that may be wet and sandy?? Is it just me?
PS: Can somebody pleazzzze run thru Trail b4 I hit it and clean out all the spiders! I hate spiders. And the snakes too. Just kinda clean it up for me if u could. Thanks
Alan
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04-23-2012, 05:20 AM #25
We've been invaded!!!
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04-23-2012, 06:14 AM #26●Canyoneering 'Canyon Conditions' @ www.candition.com
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04-23-2012, 06:33 AM #27
I think that you are imagining this to be much harder and scary than it really is. I really don't think that it is close to 5.9, although it is awkward. In any case, it is nothing like a real climb. It is two kind of hard moves to get up about 5 feet, all above a sandy floor. A partner assist can be used here.
Nat
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04-23-2012, 07:47 AM #28
I try to do one "rated" rock climb a year, just to stay in touch with the rating system, but it doesn't work. I AM a former Boulder climber, but unfortunately in a past era when 5.9 was hard, and in my five years there I moved from 5.7 to 5.11a - so there was a time when I had the rating system, in that range, DIALLED!
YDS ratings always involve some kind of "normal conditions". In canyons that means wearing Canyoneers and being wet and sandy. No chalkbag, hopefully no bolt to pull on.
I wouldn't call it free-solo, I would call it a boulder problem. And a chimney problem at that, which means, especially in this case, that the problem is not falling off but making forward progress. And... while I generally am now a non-climber, my chimney and off-width work is still fairly good (I hope).
No spiders in Trail. Daddy Longlegs are not spiders. Don't worry, be happy!
Tom
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04-23-2012, 07:54 AM #29
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04-23-2012, 08:19 AM #30
It has been a few years since I've done Trail, and it is hard to rate a chimney/boulder problem, but it seems to me that it would be quite a bit easier than 5.9 chimneys in Yosemite, such as Moby Dick Left. Maybe if you found those moves in trail on a real climb it could be rated 5.6?
Natnat smale
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04-23-2012, 09:10 AM #31
I have the climbing required rated 5.7 on Climb-Utah. and I consider the first pinch that everyone must climb over to be the hardest of the two climbs. YMMV
At the first pinch your shoes are normally wet and/or muddy and it makes the climb difficult, particularly the start which is a bit awkward.
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04-23-2012, 09:43 AM #32
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04-23-2012, 10:40 AM #33
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04-23-2012, 10:46 AM #34
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04-23-2012, 10:51 AM #35
And I don't even remember the previous spot...
Hmmm, then again, with my memory, I am thinking the spot near the end that I have a clear memory of might be in a different canyon.
Tom
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04-23-2012, 09:38 PM #36
Thanks Nat. I was not really worried, more just throwing out a q. I have done several canyons where there was a rated climb and have found it to always be easier, usually quite a bit. Which is good! Concerning a prev thread about beta, I would MUCH rather be told it is wet, cold, hard, 5.9 etc and be prepared than vice versa. Hey, no matter what the beta or word of mouth it is still on me to be ready for battle.
And yes Tom/Nat/Shane I agree, boulder/chimney offwidth stuff is different, more awkward than anything and certainly not any sort of clean face climbing. I actually like the climbing/downcimbing in canyons more than rock. Now if I only lived in SoUtah, sighhhhhhh. Any good jobs down there?
Daddylonglegs not spiders!!! Wow, things you learn on Bogley.
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04-23-2012, 09:44 PM #37
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