Super Amazing Slots?

[jner]

I have no idea what you are talking about, Mr. Ner.

If you review what I actually SAID, I in no way am creating obstacles in front of Mr. Machine, cyber or otherwise. I am merely suggesting that he be careful, because the canyons are hard, and that he respect the natural environment, because we have demonstrated here that the canyons can be done many times with only very little impact. I have offered to share information with him, if he wishes.

MY secretive nature??? Ah, the illusions of youth. I am the original sharer of canyon beta, sir. But I don't consider it desirable to share every canyon I know. I fail to see a moral compunction to do so. Others may chose a different path. While the canyons belong to us all (mostly), my information belongs to me, and it is my choice to share or not.

Tom

It's not a matter of willingness to share, it is the way in which the topic is stammered around. Words like "solemn agreement" certainly allude to a sense of secrecy....

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[CarpeyBiggs]

Seriously? Another one of these threads? Jesus, bogley is damn near intolerable nowadays.

The guy asks for help, Tom offers him suggestions, and now we get to listen to DC rage about some exclusive A team? give me a friggin' break.

I swear, this board is just a bunch of entitled pansies nowadays, and DeathCricket, you are the absolute worst of all them. Seriously annoying as hell. Do you really think everything should just be given to you, just because you asked for it? If you want it, go find it, quit blaming everyone else for not publishing it.

What, you've done 4 canyons now near zion, and all of the sudden you get to rage about the "A TEAM" who is actually out looking for unpublished stuff? And then you start crying when they don't reveal it to you?

I thought you were a freakin' libertarian? You sound like the very thing you decry about "socialists." It's like you want a canyoneering system where everyone gets the rewards of other peoples hard work.

Furthermore, this guy asked for help, and tom is GIVING it to him. What the hell are you acting pissed off for? He can accept the help, or not, but enough with this exclusive "secret club" bullshit. Yeah, there's hundreds of unpublished canyons out there. Big deal. Quit acting like an entitled little pansy. If you want them, go f#cking find them.

NO ONE IS UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO SHARE ANY BETA WITH ANYONE, UNLESS THEY WANT TO.

end of story.

what is so hard to understand about that?

[ratagonia]

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[Deathcricket]

DC, I generally like you, generally most of the time. However, please refrain from name-calling at newbs.

Bogley is a welcoming place, please use more discipline next time. Angry Dialogue, contentious-dialogue, etc. is fine - - - - - name-calling is NOT okay. Unless its in the Rubbish Bin.

You're right, I apologize. Sorry
juaquin.phoenix


Hopefully you still feel welcome, that was not my intention. I just assumed you were Tom trying to keep "the man" down.

[Iceaxe]

I'm getting in his way? Huh. Really? How?

That comment was aimed at JP chastising Slot Machine for posting a map on the web asking for help.... I didn't mean to catch you in the crossfire.

There is nothing wrong with asking.

[Iceaxe]

When people join us for a Show, Don't Tell canyon, there is an agreement of secrecy.

Now I'm confused...

Crappy just finished ranting at us pansies there was no secret club or group and that we were all full of "bullshit".

[ratagonia]

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[juaquin.phoenix]

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[Deathcricket]

DC, you seem to know a great deal about computers. But I would recommend the moderator simply compare our signup IP's in their database. Of course, I might have signed up using TOR, in which case my IP would show up as one of several million proxy servers IP's. And since I am a law abiding TOR user, you might have better success finding 'Anonymous'.

The simple fact that you wrote these sentences proves you are not Tom. He's from an older generation, though very internet savvy, but not that on that level. Heck, I'm not even on that level, masking my IP is beyond me. I can set up a couple VPN connections and that's it, although I can trace/ping back to a couple places if I need to, but I specialize in VOIP traffic data packets. Anyways, whatever about that, my main point was I wanted to again apologize, that was a douche move of me to think you were him. Please feel very welcome, post a couple trip reports, etc. I'm soo embarrassed hating on an exclusive secret handshake elitest club and I shunned a newbie, therefore becoming part of my own elitest club hypocrite in the process. Haa! Although it was kinda fun to watch Carpey explode I guess. *shrug*

[jner]

Nevermind.....

[Iceaxe]

I only venture that far when I know it's a damn good canyon and worth the 4.5 hour drive.

At least now you can be certain the slots are worth the effort.... otherwise they would not have caused such a ruckus.... that in itself is useful beta.

[Deathcricket]

At least now you can be certain the slots are worth the effort.... otherwise they would not have caused such a ruckus.... that in itself is useful beta.

Why get excited about a lame canyon? Indeed!!!! I like the way you think.

[CarpeyBiggs]

you actually might be surprised how mediocre they are. but here's a good idea. you two canyon trolls show up, and we'll do the canyons together.

i'm good before mid-march, or after mid-april. you call the dates.

bring donny dass too. i've been dying to meet that guy.

[Iceaxe]

And why would we want to do the canyons with you? If ya haven't noticed you can be kind of an ass. My partners tend to be a little more fun and happy-go-lucky.

[penmartens]

I believe a safety issue may have cropped up in this thread. Safety always trumps the secret handshake. None of the labeling of canyons that Slot Machine made is correct. The only beta put forward that is accurate is Ryan's beta from his site. It could be extremely risky to drop into one of these canyons having gathered rope lengths and obstacles from one canyon and applying them to another.
Exploratories are fun, exciting, terrifying, and rewarding. Enjoy the discovery.
Penny

[MSchasch]

Dan could you at least charge them some money if you take them? Say.....$35 to be in on this little circle of jerks?

[Iceaxe]

Thanks Penny

[Scott P]

As per two different old canyons group discussions:

People who share beta do so because of ego.

People who don't share beta do so because of ego.