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02-13-2012, 04:13 PM #21
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02-13-2012 04:13 PM # ADS
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02-14-2012, 10:19 AM #22
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02-14-2012, 02:31 PM #23
Also, thanks for not using only the metric system and not spelling photos as "fotos"
I especially liked the section "What would water do".
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02-15-2012, 06:55 AM #24
An explanation as to why "Mystery Canyon" isn't "Not Mystery Canyon" and why "Not Mystery Canyon" ends up being a Mystery Canyon for some?
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02-15-2012, 11:18 PM #25
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02-16-2012, 05:37 AM #26
Off Topic but i feel it needs to be addressed.
all of this Michael Kelsey bashing is petty and immature......
if you all dont like him, thats fine....but to be lambasting him with d-bag comments on a forum like this over and over is pretty damn silly.
i dont really care for someone who is a well known figure on this site, his attitudes and his general nature towards lesser canyoneers, but does that mean i make fun of him behind his back? no. does it mean I make snide comments about his book in other threads? no. i shut up, I hold my tounge, and i move on. easy.
dont know why its so hard for you "profressionals" to let shit go sometimes.
does anybody want to point out an entire series of 20+ books THEY have successfully written and published? thats what i thought.
if youre going to act like middle schoolers, then i will tell you what middle schoolers get told: if you dont have anything nice to say, then don't say it. sure, its ok to bash MK over and over because he isn't a force in this community. But if I was to start bad mouthing Tom and his books, the shit storm would never end. Hypocrisy much?
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02-16-2012, 07:46 AM #27
Bro, you got a lot of free time for getting all upset on the internet? You should go hike a few kilometers, you know, go see some PIC and PET, take some fotos, you'll feel better. Don't forget BH & QL and your KP/EP. And most importantly, "DON'T BLAME ME!"
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02-16-2012, 08:43 AM #28
Oh great...not this again.....
●Canyoneering 'Canyon Conditions' @ www.candition.com
●Hiking Treks (my younger brother's website): hiking guides @ www.thetrekplanner.com
"He who walks on the edge...will eventually fall."
"There are two ways to die in the desert - dehydration and drowning." -overhearing a Park Ranger at Capitol Reef N.P.
"...the first law of gear-dynamics: gear is like a gas - it will expand to fit the available space." -Wortman, Outside magazine.
"SEND IT, BRO!!"
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02-16-2012, 09:44 AM #29
Is it fair and immature that people comment or bash on Steve Jobs or Bill Gates?
I see no problem with discussing a 'public figure.' A public figure is someone who injects themselves into the public view in a particular area; i.e., writing canyoneering guidebooks, appearing in canyoneering documentries, offering insight and opinions in news print and magazines on the subject. Once an indivdual has entered the public arena they are fair game for public comment.
Your Mileage May Vary
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02-16-2012, 04:43 PM #30
Whoaa Crazy
Now that we're off topic, ain't nobody bashing no one! If anything, it was a jab at Tom. At the time, Tom was just doing a little CYA and redirecting what he saw to be a potential lawsuit (go back to the original thread). All in fun. Cool. Back on topic now.
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02-16-2012, 08:54 PM #31
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02-16-2012, 08:55 PM #32
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02-17-2012, 11:09 AM #33
I didn't see any MK bashing here.
Just sayin .....
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02-17-2012, 11:26 AM #34
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02-17-2012, 01:58 PM #35
here is the story behind bo's comment. this canyon is a hazard to knocking rocks on the tourist below you can't get a permit for it.
http://climb-utah.com/Zion/zionrescue1.htm
if these canyons were any good you would have heard of them. search bogley and you can find some first hand accounts of people who have been down them. most are brushy, dirty, lack any good rappels. tom described one something along the lines: why did we do this canyon when we could have done mystery!
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02-17-2012, 03:00 PM #36
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02-17-2012, 03:39 PM #37
Any statements in the book about runoff or post flash flood flowing water and how that changes everything? Just curious so as to assist those who walk while staring at guide books to know that canyons like the Subway go from pretty darn easy in "normal conditions" to down right nasty in runoff.
Life is Good
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02-17-2012, 03:56 PM #38
There will be talk on each canyon about "seasonal adjustments", thing like in spring, snow melts and flows down the canyons. The start of that is up on http://www.canyoneeringcentral.com
Tom
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02-17-2012, 03:59 PM #39
One we did is called "not worth it". It goes over the pass at the dogleg and drops into Orderville. We used the rope one time, but we didn't have to. Might be hard to get up without a rope there. Awful bushwhacking, and the Bushwhacker wasn't even there.
Oops, I should not have let out of the bag, one of our special, elitist canyons... darn, too late now!
Tom
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02-17-2012, 04:00 PM #40
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