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05-30-2011, 09:05 AM #41
Hi. I just registered and am somewhat new. I've been reading the threads because I'm an interested scouter who has taken scouts out on a number of climbing adventures. I recently became certified as a climbing director for BSA and the man in charge happen to be on the national committee that was writing the national standards. In regards to canyoneering, some of the committee members don't even know what it is. The standards are meant for very simple outings. Top rope climbing only, and basic rappelling. Anything more, they are avoiding. They simply say to get outside certification or hire a guide. Also and unfortunately, the standards are moving towards making climbing and cope courses follow pretty much the same rules. Oh, and by the way, I think having rules that BSA never changes, is never going to happen. Too many politics.
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05-30-2011 09:05 AM # ADS
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05-30-2011, 12:35 PM #42
I am newer to canyoneering thanks to Jaxx. I mean that in a good way, for introducing me to it. Jaxx and Chabidiah have taken me through several canyons now and I would trust them time and time again. They are competent and skilled in many aspects. I am not an expert so maybe I don't entirely understand what it takes to be, but I know they have gotten my ass out of a couple situations I got myself into. Seriously, thank you guys.
We just came off of a weekend in Quandary and I was amazed at the number of different techniques these two came up with to make the escapes and raps 'for practice' (I think were the words). I have yet to see a time either of these men slack, in the slightest, to keep me safe.
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05-31-2011, 06:30 AM #43
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05-31-2011, 09:16 AM #44
Thanks guys for the kind words! I feel so loved.
I don't think these new rules will help scout leaders that are just completely clueless, read stupid. They probably don't have a tour permit (trip plan) filed with the council for approval. Unfortunately a few dumb people make the need to tighten the rules on everyone, like so many other things in life.The man thong is wrong.
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05-31-2011, 10:42 AM #45
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05-31-2011, 10:10 PM #46
I attended the "Scout Leader Training Opportunity" offered by Clark and Spidey last Friday and Saturday. It was great. It was practical and fun. It focused on canyoneering and being safe. If you are a scout leader, you will benefit from this "ACA based" training, even if you have been at canyoneering for a while. Spidey and Clark did a great job.
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06-07-2011, 08:54 AM #47
I am not going to address each of what I perceived to be rhetorical questions but I will respond briefly.
BSA and the LDS Church have an agreement. Scouting is the activity arm of the young men
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06-28-2011, 10:24 AM #48
Just a quick thanks to all who are putting in the effort to define guidelines, provide training (and commentary) and up the standard for unit leaders in the scouting program. I'm a scoutmaster and canyoneering noob myself , having spent the last three years (slowly) gaining training and experience in the hopes of one day taking my boys on these kinds of trips. I'm convinced the outdoors can make a real difference in the lives of our young people who are so often insulated from "the real world" during their teens. This forum, the ACA Meetup pages and a bunch of other sites have been invaluable to instill in me the gravity of the importance of training rather than just "winging it."
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06-29-2011, 05:00 AM #49Rich Carlson, Instructor
YouTube Channel: CanyonsCrags
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07-06-2011, 10:24 AM #50
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07-11-2011, 01:29 PM #51
Tom,
Letting it stand on vague innuendo?
If you honestly feel there has been some political play involved in sorting the wheat from the chaff, you must have examples in mind where some deserving wheat was denied certification or some undeserving chaff received certification. I'm sure some of the folks here would like to hear some specifics.
If you can't come up with any real examples, I will.Rich Carlson, Instructor
YouTube Channel: CanyonsCrags
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