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    Search warrant without knocking

    I'm not sure I approve of this....




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    Updated Nov 1, 2010 10:57PM

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    I'm right there with you Ice! They didn't even give this guy a chance to advance. I hardley think that a golf club is a deadly weapon when you're wearing riot gear. It's as if that cop was just playing a game on Xbox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbennett View Post
    I'm right there with you Ice! They didn't even give this guy a chance to advance. I hardley think that a golf club is a deadly weapon when you're wearing riot gear. It's as if that cop was just playing a game on Xbox.
    That's some fast shooting. T

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    Yeah, wow, I mean on the one hand a guy pops out with a weapon and obviously aggressive stance but on the other hand the cops probably woke him; disoriented in the middle of the night who doesn't grab a golf club (or something more serious) to investigate?
    It does seem like the cop was pretty quick on the trigger.

    Based on the video I'd have side with the family; unjustified. The key to me is the newspaper report says he "attacked police officers with a golf club". I would not call that an attack. He surprised police officers with a golf club, but he wasn't given a half a second to swing or drop it.
    I hate to see a cop in trouble for it 'cause there's no way to know what he was thinking in the moment (meaning, it's possible he was threatened in a way that is unclear on the video) but I hope a lot of cops watch this video and take the time to think about what they would do in similar circumstances.

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    Blows the guy away and then says "get on the ground"! I like that.

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    So---What if the guy simply heard the shuffling outside and footsteps on his porch,alarmed, he gets out of bed, fearing an intruder grabs a golf club.

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    Known H & meth dealer, under surveillance for two weeks.
    I'm voting they should have saved us a shit load of tax dollars and
    popped the prick in the head with sniper rifle on the second day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedMan View Post
    Known H & meth dealer, under surveillance for two weeks.
    I'm voting they should have saved us a shit load of tax dollars and
    popped the prick in the head with sniper rifle on the second day.
    Hope they got the right guy.... Yup, gov'mint always gets the right guy. He's even righter if he can no longer complain...

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    I would rather have taken a whack or two from the golf club (especially knowing that several armed men behind me had my back) than been the f***tard who opened fire prematurely.
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    Ok - really not a lot details to work with here. I have a suspicion that there is much more to this story.
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    I'm usually all for police shooting people who resist and flee......but this certainly isn't cool
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    The cop had no choice but to shoot. I mean the dood had a deadly weapon.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IntrepidXJ View Post
    I'm usually all for police shooting people who resist and flee......but this certainly isn't cool
    Why????

    The defendant is advancing and carry a potential deadly weapon.

    What went on BEFORE this video clip?

    There is way too much information missing to even begin a meaningful debate.
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    Dunno how I feel about this. Like others have said, need more details.

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    Guess I will give an uninformed opinion.... I will preface with, I feel bad for anyone who loses a loved one, even if that person appears to have a history of difficulty living within societal norms.

    From what we see, it looks like more restraint on the side of the police officers could have been shown. But in that split second, someone standing there in a threatening position with something in their hands, tough call. Hindsight is always 20/20. I'd bet, even with the review coming out in his/her favor, the officer(s?) who shot wishes he/she could take back the decision, if given the opportunity with the current information. We ask these people to do a tough job. They have to make split second decisions that could cause them to take a life and/or lose theirs. I appreciate their service and what they do.

    Bottom line, if you're slinging dope....sometimes bad chit happens to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Guess I will give an uninformed opinion.... I will preface with, I feel bad for anyone who loses a loved one, even if that person appears to have a history of difficulty living within societal norms.

    From what we see, it looks like more restraint on the side of the police officers could have been shown. But in that split second, someone standing there in a threatening position with something in their hands, tough call. Hindsight is always 20/20. I'd bet, even with the review coming out in his/her favor, the officer(s?) who shot wishes he/she could take back the decision, if given the opportunity with the current information. We ask these people to do a tough job. They have to make split second decisions that could cause them to take a life and/or lose theirs. I appreciate their service and what they do.

    Bottom line, if you're slinging dope....sometimes bad chit happens to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Bottom line, if you're slinging dope....sometimes bad chit happens to you.
    unless - you know - you aren't slinging dope - http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/06/grandpa-killed-in-drug-raid, http://reason.com/archives/2010/03/2...s-drug-war-dea,

    http://www.theagitator.com/2010/05/05/video-of-swat-raid-on-missouri-family - dare anyone to watch that one and not feel sick.

    or in this case - http://www.standard.net/topics/drugs...shooting-death.

    know this - f@#$ cops kick in my door in the middle of night like a bunch of jackbooted retards, kill my dog that's protecting my house - prepare to get shot. it's just plain crazy that we accept that cops are "in a tough position, need to make split second decisions, etc, etc, etc."...

    We live in a world filled with imperfect people - those with badges and without. as a nation, and likely even more so as a people, we bear a responsibility to demand that those who we trust with power, use that power in a intelligent way, and should hold those people to a higher standard - we need to punish those who don't live up to that standard - of which there are many. We need to address the systems that cause this type of abuse of power to be a common occurrence. That's not to say that there are not situations where violent, and deadly action need to occur - but far too often lives are taken - both human and animal - unnecessarily, because those people in power lack common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fouristhenewone View Post
    unless - you know - you aren't slinging dope - http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/06/grandpa-killed-in-drug-raid, http://reason.com/archives/2010/03/2...s-drug-war-dea,

    http://www.theagitator.com/2010/05/05/video-of-swat-raid-on-missouri-family - dare anyone to watch that one and not feel sick.

    or in this case - http://www.standard.net/topics/drugs...shooting-death.

    know this - f@#$ cops kicked in my door in the middle of night like a bunch of jackbooted retards, kill my dog - that's protecting my house - prepare to get shot. it's just plan crazy that we accept that cops are "in a tough position, need to make split second decisions, etc, etc, etc."...

    We live in a world filled with imperfect people - those with badges and without. as a nation, and likely even more so as a people, we bear a responsiblity to demand that those who we trust with power, to use that power in a intelligent way, and should hold those people to a higher standard - we need to punish those who don't live up to that standard - of which there are many. we need to address the systems that cause for this to type of abuse of power to be a common occurence. That's not to say that there are not situations where violent, and deadly action needs to occur - but far too often lives are taken - both human and animal - unneccesarily, because those people in power lack common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fouristhenewone View Post
    unless - you know - you aren't slinging dope - http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/06/grandpa-killed-in-drug-raid, http://reason.com/archives/2010/03/2...s-drug-war-dea,

    http://www.theagitator.com/2010/05/05/video-of-swat-raid-on-missouri-family - dare anyone to watch that one and not feel sick.

    or in this case - http://www.standard.net/topics/drugs...shooting-death.

    know this - f@#$ cops kick in my door in the middle of night like a bunch of jackbooted retards, kill my dog that's protecting my house - prepare to get shot. it's just plain crazy that we accept that cops are "in a tough position, need to make split second decisions, etc, etc, etc."...

    We live in a world filled with imperfect people - those with badges and without. as a nation, and likely even more so as a people, we bear a responsibility to demand that those who we trust with power, to use that power in a intelligent way, and should hold those people to a higher standard - we need to punish those who don't live up to that standard - of which there are many. we need to address the systems that cause this type of abuse of power to be a common occurrence. That's not to say that there are not situations where violent, and deadly action needs to occur - but far too often lives are taken - both human and animal - unnecessarily, because those people in power lack common sense.
    Well put.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fouristhenewone View Post
    unless - you know - you aren't slinging dope - http://reason.com/blog/2011/01/06/grandpa-killed-in-drug-raid, http://reason.com/archives/2010/03/2...s-drug-war-dea,

    http://www.theagitator.com/2010/05/05/video-of-swat-raid-on-missouri-family - dare anyone to watch that one and not feel sick.

    or in this case - http://www.standard.net/topics/drugs...shooting-death.

    know this - f@#$ cops kick in my door in the middle of night like a bunch of jackbooted retards, kill my dog that's protecting my house - prepare to get shot. it's just plain crazy that we accept that cops are "in a tough position, need to make split second decisions, etc, etc, etc."...

    We live in a world filled with imperfect people - those with badges and without. as a nation, and likely even more so as a people, we bear a responsibility to demand that those who we trust with power, use that power in a intelligent way, and should hold those people to a higher standard - we need to punish those who don't live up to that standard - of which there are many. We need to address the systems that cause this type of abuse of power to be a common occurrence. That's not to say that there are not situations where violent, and deadly action need to occur - but far too often lives are taken - both human and animal - unnecessarily, because those people in power lack common sense.
    But this conversation, nor my comments, are about those cases.....

    Know this, if by chance one day, the " f@#$ cops " kick in your door, kill your dog & you take a shot at them, I am sure they will fire back....

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