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12-11-2010, 02:17 PM #1
Does anyone know this snake?
Hiking in the Sand Cove we encountered a rattlesnake.
But I'm curious, what kind of rattlesnake it is. Anyone a snake-expert?
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12-11-2010 02:17 PM # ADS
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12-11-2010, 04:13 PM #2
Nice pic!
The NPS lists the Western Rattlesnake as the only Rattlesnake in Zion, and thus that makes it a good candidate. Where is Sand Cove?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotalus_oreganus
The pattern on the back is 'highly variable', which means don't be too picky on what the other pictures look like.
See also here:
http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/rave/1007bush/index.htm
Tom
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12-11-2010, 07:27 PM #3
Tom's right. Western rattlesnake. Many variation on this rattler.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crotalus_viridis
is another that is in Idaho and Wyoming.
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12-12-2010, 03:06 AM #4
Tom, Sandcove is part of the Coyote Buttes North Area.
Am I wrong, or is the Western rattlesnake one of the more poisonous?
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12-13-2010, 06:18 AM #5
I am no snake expert, but I have studied the pictures of this snake, the Western rattler and the Prairie rattler. I think the markings are more similar to the Prairie Rattler. For more information about these snakes go to my website http://www.fossilbackpackinggear.com...us-snakes.html. Click on the name of the snake next to the picture. Whichever one it is, Western or Prairie, You want to give it a wide berth.
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12-13-2010, 06:22 AM #6
Another point on this snake is that the Western and Prairie rattlers were thought to be the same breed of snake. But is now recognized as 2 separate breeds. They may share a den together. However, It's really a mute point if you get bitten.
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12-13-2010, 08:11 AM #7
"Western Rattlesnake" is the species, of which there are many subspecies, the Prarie Rattler being one. In Utah, there are two subspecies of the Western Rattler, the Great Basin Rattlesnake, and the Midget Faded Rattlesnake. If Sandcove is by Coyote Buttes, then it is most likely a Midget Faded Rattlesnake. The Great Basin Rattlesnake is found in Zion, but rattlesnakes from South Central and South East Utah are Midget Faded ones.
Nat
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12-13-2010, 08:16 AM #8
You are all wrong.. I know this snake.. we had a conversation a few months back his name is Frank.. Sheesh
Tacoma Said - If Scott he asks you to go on a hike, ask careful questions like "Is it going to be on a trail?" "What are the chances it will kill me?" etc. Maybe "Will there be sack-biting ants along the way?"
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12-13-2010, 09:12 AM #9
I've a got it right, Western Rattler is the species, with Prarie Rattler, Midget Faded Rattler and Great Basin Rattler beeing subspecies of the Western Rattler? And in the Coyote Buttes area it's most likely beeing a Midget Faded?
Anyway I guess we where lucky hearing the rattle and paying attention where we were going to because the rattler was right in the way we were heading.
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12-13-2010, 11:18 AM #10
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12-13-2010, 03:03 PM #11
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12-13-2010, 03:17 PM #12Tacoma Said - If Scott he asks you to go on a hike, ask careful questions like "Is it going to be on a trail?" "What are the chances it will kill me?" etc. Maybe "Will there be sack-biting ants along the way?"
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12-13-2010, 03:23 PM #13
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12-13-2010, 03:59 PM #14
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12-13-2010, 04:59 PM #15
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12-13-2010, 08:03 PM #16
Frank is usually a first or given name. Sometimes it's a last or surname.
Sheesh is a slang term used variously to express disbelief, surprise, annoyance, etc
with his sarcastic answer he was making a joke.
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12-14-2010, 01:37 AM #17
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