Canyoneering Knots

[Don]

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Why, a double EDK of course: http://canyoneeringusa.com/utah/tech/tying.php

T

I like the double fishermans but the EDK is so easy to tie and (usually) untie. I've also seen a (small rope) figure 8 tied to a (big-rope) figure 8 (being used as the knot-block) but this seems more likely to get stuck 'cause both knots have open loops ready to snag everything.

[canyoncaver]

I have been using a figure eight follow-through. It seems to be a nice knot for tying two different diameters together. Nice and compact, easier to tie and untie than the fishermans, doesn't have the unrolling problem that the EDK does.

Anyone else like this knot? I don't hear of it much over here in canyoneering circles...

[Iceaxe]

I have been using a figure eight follow-through. It seems to be a nice knot for tying two different diameters together. Nice and compact, easier to tie and untie than the fishermans, doesn't have the unrolling problem that the EDK does.

Anyone else like this knot? I don't hear of it much over here in canyoneering circles...

AKA: Flemish Bend, Figure Eight Bend, Rewoven Figure Eight

I used to use this knot all the time about 10 years ago..... than I did some climbing/canyoneering with a couple well known/famous climbers. I noticed they all used the EDK and after taking through the pro's and con's with them and using it some I switched to the EDK exclusively.... I do not back it up with a second EDK and I've never had the knot roll on me climbing or canyoneering. I seldom use rope of the same diameter... YMMA...

[Mark Schnupp]

AKA: Flemish Bend, Figure Eight Bend, Rewoven Figure Eight

I used to use this knot all the time about 10 years ago..... than I did some climbing/canyoneering with a couple well known/famous climbers. I noticed they all used the EDK and after taking through the pro's and con's with them and using it some I switched to the EDK exclusively.... I do not back it up with a second EDK and I've never had the knot roll on me climbing or canyoneering. I seldom use rope of the same diameter... YMMA...

This (for the most part). EDK with a back-up and tails is bomber. It's easy to dress, to inspect, and to pull.

[ratagonia]

I have been using a figure eight follow-through. It seems to be a nice knot for tying two different diameters together. Nice and compact, easier to tie and untie than the fishermans, doesn't have the unrolling problem that the EDK does.

Anyone else like this knot? I don't hear of it much over here in canyoneering circles...

The backup knot PREVENTS the capsizing. Or you can use long tails and DELAY the capsizing. I prefer the Prevent approach.

I think the backup knot is only important when the ropes are different in any way, but I fail to see a downside in using the backup knot.

Flemish Bend is OK, but EDK is better.

T

[taatmk]

Mod Note: This was split from the Englestead Tree "E" Thread:
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I like the double fishermans but the EDK is so easy to tie and (usually) untie. I've also seen a (small rope) figure 8 tied to a (big-rope) figure 8 (being used as the knot-block) but this seems more likely to get stuck 'cause both knots have open loops ready to snag everything.

I prefer the double fishermans. I am much more confident about it, and, I have tied it so many times that it has become second nature and very easy to tie. I also start the knot off with a simple square knot....that seems to make it a lot easier to untie, after it has become weighted.

[Iceaxe]

I also start the knot off with a simple square knot....that seems to make it a lot easier to untie, after it has become weighted.

Back when I used a Flemish Bend I would clip a biner through the center of the knot. After the rappel you could easily unclip the biner and this provided some slack that made untieing the knot really easy.

[oldno7]

I prefer the double fishermans. I am much more confident about it, and, I have tied it so many times that it has become second nature and very easy to tie. I also start the knot off with a simple square knot....that seems to make it a lot easier to untie, after it has become weighted.

Thats called a "square fisherman", very useful.

[Iceaxe]

Throwback Thursday....

Let's talk knots.....

[hesse15]

Throwback Thursday....

is the new Ratagonia rope model!!!!!

[Iceaxe]

is the new Ratagonia rope model!!!!!

I wish... but Tom mostly uses smelly old men that have seen better days as his models.



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[Bootboy]

Woof!

[Eric Holden]

Hum.... Good idea for my retired ropes...