Canyoneering Spam???

[Cirrus2000]

Asian Escort Service posts?

These types of messages are not deleted, but rather moved to a private forum where we can confirm or deny the validity of the claims.

Can I make a request here, that this become part of the Big Shot "package"?

[Sombeech]

Can I make a request here, that this become part of the Big Shot "package"?

Hey, make a request in the "BigShots Requests" forum... who am I to question your motives?

[Don]

Must have been deleted before I saw it. Too bad; I had a free night last night and likely would have gone instead of play xbox all night.
And my opinion; I don

[DWayne27]

Interesting thread. I was part of organizing this event, although Spidey did all the work, teaching, hosting, etc. Part of the attendees were a local scout troop planning to do some canyons in the summer, and a few ACA members. It was well announced on the ACA website, and I thought about posting an announcement here. I wonder if I have the post count to not be moderated? I dont post 'often', but I lurk constantly (I hate desk jobs...). I was hoping to get more of a turn out from the non boy scouts, and get to know some more of the Bogley canyoneering crowd, and find some more partners in Utah County...

Would my advertising of a free clinic be more valid if I put up a few details of my trip last weekend?

[Cirrus2000]

Would my advertising of a free clinic be more valid if I put up a few details of my trip last weekend?

Everything is more valid when you put up trip reports...

[Felicia]

I've reconsidered my approach since I made my last post. I was confrontational and belligerent (for me.) I apologize, ....

Wow, I feel like such an adult right now. It sure is far too easy to get pissy and petulant on the internetz.

Dang! Kev, you scared me - I was thinking that you are spending too much time in the States and that you are losing your Canadian politeness.

Good recovery!

I saw Spidey's post - I had no objection to the post - it was a free event and a networking opportunity. I think that it should have remained.

That being said, Ice can, and did moderate. He explained his thought process. I can say that I have challenged him several times in the past about this exact issue and he has remained consistent in his overall view.

I realize that nothing is free. Pick your poison: post trip reports, share knowledge, be a Big Shot, buy advertisement. The rules seem reasonable overall.

FWIW, I hope that future events such as this one get posted.

[Iceaxe]

I think that the forum would have been better served by permitting the post to have remained.

Wow, I feel like such an adult right now. It sure is far too easy to get pissy and petulant on the internetz.

Hey.... maybe it was a bad call on my part.... maybe not.... and it was not the one post. The problem I saw as a moderator was the general direction spidey was heading in.... he made several introductory posts in January to establish himself, but since that time he only posted on Bogley to promote his self interests, which is spam.... Spidey was sent a nice, polite, note asking him to please participate more or to stop spamming the forum.... I didn't see that as an unreasonable request....

And yes.... Post counts matter.....

DWayne27 - you have enough posts that you can take your shoes off and help yourself to anything in the fridge....

Cirrus2000 - you have enough posts to walk around this place in your underwear and smack the Asian Escorts on the ass..... but you still have to bring your own beer....

[Felicia]

Interesting thread. I was part of organizing this event, although Spidey did all the work, teaching, hosting, etc. Part of the attendees were a local scout troop planning to do some canyons in the summer, and a few ACA members. ........ I was hoping to get more of a turn out from the non boy scouts, and get to know some more of the Bogley canyoneering crowd, and find some more partners in Utah County...

Question to Ice: If the announcement had been worded as an invitation that explained the goal of the event was for "get to know some more of the Bogley canyoneering crowd, and find some more partners in Utah County" would the post have been deleted?

[oldno7]

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Non-Utah resident's, get free fill ups for life. Just mention the catch words--bogley,canyoneering and provide a valid drivers license, thats it.....

All Utah resident's get free hot dogs and beer with each and every fill up. Our friendly staff will wait on your every need, just sit in your car and honk out the star spangled banner and our staff will run out to accommodate your fuel and grocery needs.

For discount coupons and free fuel vouchers call

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edit--can I spam for others?

[Cirrus2000]

Non-Utah resident's, get free fill ups for life. Just mention the catch words--bogley,canyoneering and provide a valid drivers license, thats it.....

[Iceaxe]

Question to Ice: If the announcement had been worded as an invitation ?

The problem is it was spam.... you can put lip stick on a pig and put it in a fancy dress..... but it's still spam.....

Forum spam is the creating of messages that are advertisements.

So.... the real question is who is allowed to spam, how much are they allowed to spam, and who gets to make the call.... and I believe that has already be addressed....



You guys are on your own to hash this out from here on in.... if you come up with a better system I'd be more than happy to look at your colorful graphs, bold pie charts and watch your power point presentation.... just let me know.... see ya....

***Ice kicks a rock as he slowly walks away***

[Felicia]

Question to Ice: If the announcement had been worded as an invitation ?

The problem is it was spam.... you can put lip stick on a pig and put it in a fancy dress..... but it's still spam.....

Forum spam is the creating of messages that are advertisements.

Thanks - I'm good with your position.

[jman]

Chevron-Chevron-Chevron

Now with Techron, get yours today at your friendly neighborhood Kaysville Chevron Station. We also have Chevron cars for gifts to those you love.
Non-Utah resident's, get free fill ups for life. Just mention the catch words--bogley,canyoneering and provide a valid drivers license, thats it.....

All Utah resident's get free hot dogs and beer with each and every fill up. Our friendly staff will wait on your every need, just sit in your car and honk out the star spangled banner and our staff will run out to accommodate your fuel and grocery needs.

For discount coupons and free fuel vouchers call

1-800-moabmark
Thats 1-800-moabmark for all your fuel and convenience store needs.

edit--can I spam for others?

That's the one I frequent the most - luckily for me, it has a 24-hr Mcdonalds attached to it too. So after a VERY long day, I pull up get my peanut butter twix bar, and get a few hamburgers. Very convenient. I'm like his #1 customer too and haven't received any vouchers yet...ha ha.

[moab mark]

Chevron-Chevron-Chevron

Now with Techron, get yours today at your friendly neighborhood Kaysville Chevron Station. We also have Chevron cars for gifts to those you love.
Non-Utah resident's, get free fill ups for life. Just mention the catch words--bogley,canyoneering and provide a valid drivers license, thats it.....

All Utah resident's get free hot dogs and beer with each and every fill up. Our friendly staff will wait on your every need, just sit in your car and honk out the star spangled banner and our staff will run out to accommodate your fuel and grocery needs.

For discount coupons and free fuel vouchers call

1-800-moabmark
Thats 1-800-moabmark for all your fuel and convenience store needs.

edit--can I spam for others?

That's the one I frequent the most - luckily for me, it has a 24-hr Mcdonalds attached to it too. So after a VERY long day, I pull up get my peanut butter twix bar, and get a few hamburgers. Very convenient. I'm like his #1 customer too and haven't received any vouchers yet...ha ha.

This has gotten way off track but I better set the record straight. OOOLLLDDDD no 7 has lead you slightly astray. Top Stop owns the one in Kaysville. I own a couple of locations over in Layton not Kaysville. Did try to buy Kaysville but McDonalds would not deal with me I was not a big enough fish. McDonalds owns the prop. and they lease to the conv store operator. McDonalds is not in the hamburger business they are really in the real estate business hamburgers are just a side note.

But since were spamming, quit getting peanut twix bars at Top Stop, head down to my west layton location and have a healthy Subway sandwich. Subway franchises rule.

Back to the regular scheduled programming.

[jman]

This has gotten way off track but I better set the record straight. OOOLLLDDDD no 7 has lead you slightly astray. Top Stop owns the one in Kaysville. I own a couple of locations over in Layton not Kaysville. Did try to buy Kaysville but McDonalds would not deal with me I was not a big enough fish. McDonalds owns the prop. and they lease to the conv store operator. McDonalds is not in the hamburger business they are really in the real estate business hamburgers are just a side note.

But since were spamming, quit getting peanut twix bars at Top Stop, head down to my west layton location and have a healthy Subway sandwich. Subway franchises rule.

Back to the regular scheduled programming.

ah hah...I see. Well now I know where you are....

[mdd]

So our of curiosity, when the Ouray guidebook comes out, will I be allowed to announce it on Bogley?

This being only my 8th post and all.

M

[Riseforms]

So our of curiosity, when the Ouray guidebook comes out, will I be allowed to announce it on Bogley?

This being only my 8th post and all.

M

Not enough posts man. I'm waiting till I get to 300 to start pimping my malaysian transgender escorts.

[CarpeyBiggs]

So our of curiosity, when the Ouray guidebook comes out, will I be allowed to announce it on Bogley?

This being only my 8th post and all.

M

depends on how current your subscription is to climb-utah.

[Cirrus2000]

So our of curiosity, when the Ouray guidebook comes out, will I be allowed to announce it on Bogley?

This being only my 8th post and all.

M

depends on how current your subscription is to climb-utah.

ZING!

[Spidey]

If Scott Card, Bo_Beck, Cirrus2000, or Felicia had of made the same post it would have remained

So we have established the content of the post was not the problem. Therefore it can not be considered SPAM. You (Ice) Shane just didn't like who's mouth it came out of. That's not moderating SPAM for the good of the Forum. That's just Dislike, Ego or whatever was blowing your bloomers up that day. I don't know and I don't care.

Hey.... maybe it was a bad call on my part.... maybe not

Not maybe, was a bad call, everyone else can see that. Now it's just up to you to admit it.

[/quote] The problem I saw as a moderator was the general direction spidey was heading in.... he made several introductory posts in January to establish himself[quote]

Establish myself? PLEASE! With Regard to this forum and this forum only. I have in fact been a member on this forum for something like 2 years. I had to re register last summer after I couldn't get my cookies to work after the forum was updated last year. Sorry, but not my fault. I have posted something like 20 times since last summer. Only 2 of those have been about clinics. HARDLY A TREND. One was a heads up about a Rich Carlson Totem workshop in January. Only the one Tuesday had anything to do with something I was teaching. Again HARDLY A TREND.

So.... bottom line.... if you want to promote an outside interest that is related to Bogley that's cool

So let me make sure I understand for the future. A FREE canyoneering skills clinic offered on and to a canyoneering forum, by one of it's members. This is an outside interest??? That is not related to the forum in question. (FREE CANYONEERING SKILLS CLINIC, CANYONEERING FORUM!!!????) Please esplain LUCY.

Sometimes the line is fine between what is spam and what is not

The line is FINE/THIN? As Henry Fonda would say. "Thin that's damn near invisible!"

In this particular case Spidey was sent such a private message.

I was sent such a message, and it was fairly polite. If you forgive the accusation of doing something wrong when no wrong was done. In Shane's PM he cited and I quote.

We have received several complaints that you are spamming Bogley.

To those of you that I have offended. (If there really are any.) If you were offended I do sincerely apologize to those that filed those SEVERAL COMPLAINTS. I meant no disrespect, I was not self advertising as Shane accuses me of later in the PM.

After reviewing your recent participation in Bogley it appears your main intent is to promote your canyon clinics.

ONE AND IT WAS FREE. Pardon the HELL out of me Shane. On the one or two Saturdays a month that I do work at Out n Back, I have been asked by several people if I would do some kind of canyoneering workshop. These Several People really exist too. I thought I was doing something nice and considerate for the COMMUNITY. The only benefit I got was meeting some new very nice canyoneers. Shane you might not feel I gave up anything either. I consider time I could have been spending with my FAMILY as priceless.

SO DON"T CHEAPEN WHAT I DID LAST NIGHT BY CALLING IT SPAM.

And yes.... Post counts matter.....

God Forbid a newbie used his first post to announce a rendezvous they were hosting. No one would ever know about it.
By you rationale Shane, OH forgive me arbitrary dart throwing. If the likes of. I don't know Steve Allen, Michael Kelsey, or Rick Green posted an offer for a FREE canyoneering skills clinic, this would be considered Spam and Deleted. Don't bother answering that one we all know what the answer is. Even though I don't see a post count above ZERO for any of them. Hmmm That's a Mystery.

Bottom line Shane/Ice this whole episode just exposes you as a Jack Ass
Your just pissed everyone called you on it.

I'm sorry for the rant everyone. I will avoid posting about such things as free skills clinics. THANK YOU to all who have been on my side.

Again I apologize to anyone I have offended with my audacity.

Spidey Steven Jackson