Omni Sling

[moab mark]

I saw a different twist for a releasable anchor on Tom's site using an omni sling.
Want to play with this concept but I have looked all over and cannot find one. Where can you buy an Omni Sling?

Mark

[oldno7]

Try Jerid over at Northwash Outfitters.

[moab mark]

You the man OLDNO 7.
He has a 5' on his site. Anybody know where to get an 8'? If not I'll get one from NorthWash.

Mark

[ratagonia]

You the man OLDNO 7.
He has a 5' on his site. Anybody know where to get an 8'? If not I'll get one from NorthWash.

Mark

Ask Jared, see if he can order in the longer ones. BlueWater thought they would make more last fall, I don't know if they did.

Here's the link for the tech tip:

http://canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress...ghost/omni.php

comments/discussion appreciated.

Tom

[Iceaxe]

The webpage Mark refer's to where the Omni Sling is shown in action:

Canyoneering 101
Ghosting: The Omnisling
http://canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress...ghost/omni.php

And the webpage of Northwash Outfitters where they can be ordered:

Omni Sling
http://www.northwashoutfitters.com/s...d&productId=63

[french_de]

Here's the link for the tech tip:

http://canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress...ghost/omni.php

comments/discussion appreciated.

Tom

I have used the basic 2-ring retrievable anchor multiple times using standard webbing.
http://canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress...tree/index.php

I have also used 8 and 10 foot long black omnisling material with the 2-ring retreive method. By the way I found black omnisling at Black Diamond in Salt Lake.
I found the omnisling material a little harder to pull at retrieval time and I think it was because the omnisling material has a little more grab to it compared to a standard piece of webbing as it is dragged along the back surface of an anchor. Has this been your experience Tom?

[moab mark]

What's the sponge for?

[moab mark]

As far as comments, your direction are pretty straight forward. I have used the basic slip knot concept several times and have had no trouble with it releasing. Does this concept pull that much easier to justify the omni sling, biner etc.? Do you feel this system is safer then the slip knot system?
When I have done the slip knot concept I just tied 2 small loops in the end of a piece of webbing.

Mark

[hank moon]

What's the sponge for?

a cleaner pull

[ratagonia]

What's the sponge for?

Marks the 'cleaning' side.

T

[ratagonia]

Here's the link for the tech tip:

http://canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress...ghost/omni.php

comments/discussion appreciated.

Tom

I have used the basic 2-ring retrievable anchor multiple times using standard webbing.
http://canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress...tree/index.php

I have also used 8 and 10 foot long black omnisling material with the 2-ring retreive method. By the way I found black omnisling at Black Diamond in Salt Lake.
I found the omnisling material a little harder to pull at retrieval time and I think it was because the omnisling material has a little more grab to it compared to a standard piece of webbing as it is dragged along the back surface of an anchor. Has this been your experience Tom?

It is kind of sticky, but the lack of a bulge on the end is what makes for a better pull. Also, the 2-ring system requires 3X length of rope, while the Omnisling is a 2X solution.

T

[ratagonia]

As far as comments, your direction are pretty straight forward. I have used the basic slip knot concept several times and have had no trouble with it releasing. Does this concept pull that much easier to justify the omni sling, biner etc.? Do you feel this system is safer then the slip knot system?
When I have done the slip knot concept I just tied 2 small loops in the end of a piece of webbing.

Mark

I think what you are using is called the Macrame?

I stopped using the Macrame because I had no faith in using it on raps longer than say 40 feet. A couple of difficult releases made me realize that the friction properties of the rope made a big difference on whether it would pull or not. For instance, a slightly wet, dirty rope might not pull at all.

The single strand of the Omnisling is cleaner to pull around an object. Clearly, the knot and biner of the Omnisling rig I usually use is clunkier than a simple loop of rope.

The Omnisling I think is more secure, AND easier to pull. It just looks better to me on the security issue. If you'd like to buy me an Instron Test Machine, perhaps we could put some numbers to that...

Tom

[moab mark]

The one that I have used a few times is like the second picture on the ACA post. I guess that is a simple form of a macrame.

[moab mark]

Here's the link for the tech tip:

http://canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress...ghost/omni.php

comments/discussion appreciated.

Tom

I have used the basic 2-ring retrievable anchor multiple times using standard webbing.
http://canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress...tree/index.php

I have also used 8 and 10 foot long black omnisling material with the 2-ring retreive method. By the way I found black omnisling at Black Diamond in Salt Lake.
I found the omnisling material a little harder to pull at retrieval time and I think it was because the omnisling material has a little more grab to it compared to a standard piece of webbing as it is dragged along the back surface of an anchor. Has this been your experience Tom?

It is kind of sticky, but the lack of a bulge on the end is what makes for a better pull. Also, the 2-ring system requires 3X length of rope, while the Omnisling is a 2X solution.

T

Just lighting the webbing on fire would only require 1x rope. Just make sure you are a very fast rappeler.

[mrbrejcha]

What's the sponge for?

a cleaner pull

Hank, you get the slow; sarcastic clap.

[hank moon]

What's the sponge for?

a cleaner pull

Hank, you get the slow; sarcastic clap.

hey, at least i got the clap!

[moab mark]

By looking at Tom's pictures I do not think a 5' omni sling is going to be long enough to be practical? The anchor would have to be a piece of sagebrush. Haven't heard from Jared yet hopefully he can score 8'er's.

[french_de]

Here's the link for the tech tip:

http://canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress...ghost/omni.php

comments/discussion appreciated.

Tom

I have used the basic 2-ring retrievable anchor multiple times using standard webbing.
http://canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress...tree/index.php

I have also used 8 and 10 foot long black omnisling material with the 2-ring retreive method. By the way I found black omnisling at Black Diamond in Salt Lake.
I found the omnisling material a little harder to pull at retrieval time and I think it was because the omnisling material has a little more grab to it compared to a standard piece of webbing as it is dragged along the back surface of an anchor. Has this been your experience Tom?

It is kind of sticky, but the lack of a bulge on the end is what makes for a better pull. Also, the 2-ring system requires 3X length of rope, while the Omnisling is a 2X solution.

T

From Page 2 of Canyoneering 101 ghosting The omnisling - part 2 at Canyoneeringusa.com - Tom wrote -
"In some case, you may want to attach the rope to the Omnisling using a biner-block on a rapide, so that even if the omnisling gets jammed while pulling, the rope can be retrieved"

For me, the use of a biner block would make the use of a ghosted omnisling even more desirable/useful. No matter how hard I worked it, I have had a few stuck "retrievables" . The biner block is a good idea. Any chance of adding that setup to the pictures on your site Tom?

On another issue - on some of my omnislings there is a warning on the tag that states "never connect to the last rung of an omnisling". Is this a good idea no matter how they are bound at the ends?. Is this another level of security that shouldn't affect the performance or retrieval?

[moab mark]

Black Diamond has Omni Slings in 12',9' and 6'. They are out of 12' because yours truly bought the 2 that they had. But they said they will be reordering.

[ratagonia]

Black Diamond has Omni Slings in 12',9' and 6'. They are out of 12' because yours truly bought the 2 that they had. But they said they will be reordering.

Whether BW has them available for delivery is another matter...

T