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Thread: Smiling Cricket - Warning!
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08-16-2009, 04:18 PM #1
Smiling Cricket - Warning!
For those interested in Smiling Cricket - plans are afoot to remove the way-dangerous old/single/barely hanging on bolts in there. Future parties heading that way should be prepared to deal with the canyon in natural conditions - ie, boltless. If you are not, I suggest going elsewhere. It is a long way from anywhere, especially from 'rescue'.
Tom
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08-16-2009 04:18 PM # ADS
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08-16-2009, 04:37 PM #2
Re: Smiling Cricket - Warning!
Originally Posted by ratagonia
Nat
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08-16-2009, 05:57 PM #3
Re: Smiling Cricket - Warning!
Originally Posted by nat
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08-16-2009, 06:21 PM #4
Re: Smiling Cricket - Warning!
Originally Posted by hank moon
Nat
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08-16-2009, 06:46 PM #5
Re: Smiling Cricket - Warning!
Originally Posted by nat
It sounds like you think people need my approval to place or remove bolts. People do not. People can do what they think is appropriate.
The warning is that, sometime in the near future, many or all of the bolts, or just the completely scary ones, are likely to be removed. I'm not at all sure my warning is necessary, anyway, as any reasonable person heading into an extremely remote, very difficult, rarely visited canyon would have to be nuts to rely on the whole thing being bolted up, OBVIOUSLY.
Perhaps the next group in will have a limited toolbag, and spend hours putting in sparkly new bolts on every little downclimb because that is what they think is appropriate. Hope they bring LOTS of bolts, and publish up Trip Report. Perhaps the next group will remove all signs of human passage. Perhaps...
Tom
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08-16-2009, 08:38 PM #6
I like this "perhaps" game! Keep on rocking Tom!
Your safety is not my responsibility.
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08-16-2009, 08:52 PM #7
Re: Smiling Cricket - Warning!
Originally Posted by ratagonia
Nat
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08-17-2009, 09:44 AM #8
Tom, Thanks for the public service message.
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08-17-2009, 09:58 AM #9
Re: Smiling Cricket - Warning!
Originally Posted by nat
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08-23-2009, 04:30 PM #10
Personally, I'd love to see the bolts replaced instead of removed. There isn't a lot of anchor material in some places. (I'm specifically recalling the two stage drop that the bolt pulls right out.)
However, I feel that no bolt would be better than some of the bolts they have in there. Trusting those bolts (20-something year old 1/4" Star Dryvin's if I remember right) is downright scary... We definitely backed up any bolts we used (that we could) with meat or otherwise for all but the last person...
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