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Thread: Zion Permit System
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07-02-2009, 01:30 PM #61Originally Posted by ratagonia
Mark
Oh let me guess there is only one employee there in the morning?
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07-02-2009 01:30 PM # ADS
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07-02-2009, 02:32 PM #62Originally Posted by moab mark
And the first person in line usually wants to look at pictures and discuss options of every route in the park. Followed by a complete discussion on every rule.... with the one ranger....
Most groups are pretty fast. But I have been behind groups that take 30 minutes or more before....
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07-02-2009, 02:59 PM #63
Living in Hurricane I have stood in line many times to pick up permits for my group, who mostly come from Vegas.
Originally Posted by moab mark
Originally Posted by moab markHold my glasses, I'm going to jump!
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07-02-2009, 05:29 PM #64
Kiosks - what a great idea!
I mentioned this during the comment period for the Management Plan that now governs usage of canyons within the park. Apparently fell on deaf ears. I even provided an example of how at Mr Ranier they were using them to print out camping permits where rangers were not always present. Maybe our application would be a little bit more extensive but then again...
However, even with them in place there is no guarantee of success, for example.
At Bryce Canyon we had terminals at the lodge, visitor center, camp store and even out at Ruby's Inn that provided info the tourists could access to assist in planning their trips. So what failed? Software, electricity, hardware? None of these. Some damn tourists kept stealing the ball out of the mouses.
Keep addressing the problem and keep presenting alternates ways of doing business and maybe, just maybe the system will be changed or improved.
bruce from bryce
"retired but not inactive"bruce from bryce
'I used to work for the government; but I was not part of the problem'
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07-02-2009, 05:30 PM #65Originally Posted by Odie_Canyon
"Five for Mystery tomorrow please"
"Have you been here before?"
"Yes, but I've not done Mystery before"
...he finds me on the system and verifies my details.
"Have you checked the weather?"
"Yes, and I'll check it again before we leave"
"Do you have a route description?"
"Yes, I have beta and two 120 foot ropes and a 200 foot rope"
That answer seemed to instantly satisfy him, because his facial expression lit up and at that point he just printed out the permit sheet, I signed, and was on my way. The whole thing took about 2 minutes, which presumably pleased the next person in line.
From the conversations I overheard while waiting though, there were a lot of people there who didn't seem to know much about the canyon they wanted a permit for. Almost everyone was there for The Subway.
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07-04-2009, 10:51 AM #66
I'm a newbie to this forum, but we did Imlay three days ago. I walked in to the Permit office the day before and got the permit after a 15 minute wait. One thing they could do at the desk, is change the sign above which says "Backcountry Information" to Backcountry Permits only". Because every time I have been for a permit, there have been people in line in front of me simply seeking info about hikes that they could have gotten at the other info desk.By the way, Imlay was awesome, half full, with 3 hooks and one pack toss. 8-1/2 hours from Grotto into the Narrows with 4 people, starting on the right Sneak route.
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