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Thread: Zion Rappel Accident
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06-19-2009, 07:37 AM #21Originally Posted by rcwild
I think an autoblock, properly deployed, can be pretty useful.
One of my main climbing partners (see above) uses one all the time. He can stop and start on a rappel on a dime, with no effort. Of course, its usually on double ropes...
Couple of comments...I can't imagine dropping into Englestead on a single 8mm rope, on a single ATC, and not rigging for additional friction. The very idear is frightening. Glove or not (I didn't use a glove on that or any of the times I've done Heaps). Two ATCs, one above the other: smooth as silk.
Knot in the rope? I can't imagine deploying rope for a long rappel like that and having a knot in the rope. Should be carefully lowering the rope, or, using a rope bag? Yikes. It can be pretty darn scary to stop on a super steep rappel to untangle a rope...
Ain't no miracle. Had enough friction from the ATC on the rope to slow him down enough, but, that video is painful to watch.
Take care out there you canyoneering rappellers!
-Brian in SLC
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06-19-2009 07:37 AM # ADS
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06-19-2009, 07:47 AM #22Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Originally Posted by Brian in SLCRich Carlson, Instructor
YouTube Channel: CanyonsCrags
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06-19-2009, 07:54 AM #23Originally Posted by rcwild
Originally Posted by rcwild
I think for most folks, if they've blown their friction, and their autoblock isn't working, they won't be able to "fix" most anything on a really steep rappel, especially on a skinny single rope.
Go for the body wrap around! Get your friction on...
Makes my hands sweaty thinkin' about it...
Cheers, Rich!
-Brian in SLC
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06-19-2009, 08:02 AM #24Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Wonder why he thought he would have more control after the knot than he had above it?
Cheers!Rich Carlson, Instructor
YouTube Channel: CanyonsCrags
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06-19-2009, 08:04 AM #25Originally Posted by oldno7
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06-19-2009, 08:52 AM #26Originally Posted by Richard Barron
And "maybe" it could have been prevented, with a little training, but no need to mention it. It was just their time. c'est la vie................
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06-19-2009, 09:04 AM #27
I think Richard is just pointing out there is danger in everything we do.....
At some point in life people have to cut the apron strings and actually experiance the adventure.
I don't think there is a soul on this forum who considers training a bad thing..... but sooner or later you have to get off the porch and run with the big dogs..... or you could visit Disneyland instead....
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06-19-2009, 09:36 AM #28Originally Posted by Iceaxe
It's all about calculating risk vs, unnecessary risk.
Do we toss the keys to our kids when they're 16 and say, have a great night out on State street. Or do they go through a drivers ed program and learn about what they are doing, then casually sneak down to State street?
I'll be done, sorry for the break in fun.
Think I'll head to disneyland next weekend
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06-19-2009, 09:51 AM #29Originally Posted by oldno7
There is no way in hell my kids are getting the keys to the car until after they have been through a real driving school and completed both a Highway Safety and High Proformace class.... but after the class I'll turn them loose....
FWIW: Miller Motorspors Park teaches them in Salt Lake and Las Vegas Motor Speedway teaches them in Vegas.
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06-19-2009, 09:55 AM #30Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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06-19-2009, 11:01 AM #31
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06-19-2009, 11:35 AM #32Originally Posted by Don
I have 2 - 300' 9mm ropes which you can use. I plan on using them.
Tom
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06-19-2009, 11:59 AM #33Originally Posted by ratagonia
Pad that edge well would be a decent start...
Ha ha.
-Brian in SLC
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06-19-2009, 12:24 PM #34Originally Posted by oldno7
Sorry I even joined the conversation.
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06-19-2009, 12:46 PM #35
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06-19-2009, 01:06 PM #36Originally Posted by Don
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06-19-2009, 01:15 PM #37Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
Tom
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06-19-2009, 02:39 PM #38
First time could be an accident, second time proves the guy is not the brightest bulb on the shelf.
Someone said it best.
He got out of control and began falling to his death. By some miracle he got stopped halfway. So what does this dimwit decide to do...free the rope with no hesitation and try the second time to kill himself?
Miracle he survived...some divine power? Not really...just shows at least his rappelling device was rigged properly. I've always wondered how fast you would go if you just let go of the rope. Now I know and it doesn't look like there's too much to be scared of as long as you have a helmet...which after looking at the video again, he didn't.
Did anyone else notice his burns are on the tips of his fingers...if I was falling and grabbing onto the rope I damn well would have my palms scarred for life. (Edit: he was wearing fingerless gloves, so this last statement is not applicable)
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06-19-2009, 02:48 PM #39Originally Posted by nonot
Pretty common, when grabbing for rope, that the fingers take the brunt of it.
Folk who were at the rondy on Crete might remember the above...
-Brian in SLC
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06-19-2009, 04:51 PM #40
This accident has me stumped. Could the camera have played a role in this? Trying to look cool and fast from the top? I gotta tell you I hope I would have had the good sense that IF I were to have lost control and by chance a knot has stuck me, I hope I would have tied off, screamed for help like a girl or something other than lose it again. Also, with the weight of the rope, I have never been able to go fast or anywhere near fast at the start of that rap. It is the bottom 100 feet that needs my attention on that rap and the Heaps final rap.
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