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Thread: Status of Oak Creek Access
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06-02-2009, 11:24 PM #41Originally Posted by Deeps
Tom
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06-02-2009 11:24 PM # ADS
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06-03-2009, 06:24 AM #42
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Originally Posted by Scott Card
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06-03-2009, 08:21 AM #43Originally Posted by canyonguru
You guys always have a tendency to focus on the dollars and that is normally only part of the equation.
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06-03-2009, 10:47 AM #44
So what im getting out of this is you need a permit to go down this/these canyons... And to get this permit you need to go through ZAC... and the cost of this permit is $500.00??? lol what??? Did ZAC take lessons from the park on pemits?! Sure sounds like it to me. I have spent well over $1000.00 at ZAC for some reason... Where is my oak creek voucher!!! I thought a few people didnt agree with permit systems?! How much is a tresspassing ticket? May be cheaper than the $500 dollar permit lol.
I kid... Kinda... I would never treaspass onto private property.
Now if you will excuse me I will step back into my lurking shadows.
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06-03-2009, 11:50 AM #45Originally Posted by frank'n'beans
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06-03-2009, 12:53 PM #46
Still sounds like a permit lol. To go down this canyon you have to sign papers, follow someone, and pay them to do so. If you don't follow those directions you MAY be fined.(If caught) Just really sounds like the permit system to me.
Kind of. . .
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06-03-2009, 01:30 PM #47
I guess my thing is...... I really don't understand why everyone is picking on ZAC in this deal.... Bird closed his property to canyoneering. ZAC saw an opportunity to make a little coin as a private company and took it, hard for me to fault ZAC for that.
Now should ZAC have tried to negotiate access for all of us? It would have been nice, but that is not their job. Seems to me if the canyoneering community wants access everyone needs to stop bitching and see what can be done to open the route back up. Someone needs to take the lead on this.... Maybe some type of service project each year to clean up the route would get things rolling in a positive direction.
Just my 2 cents....
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06-03-2009, 02:32 PM #48
Your right Ice I really like all the people at ZAC and their services. But the only way your able to get down that canyon is to pay lots of money that I dont have and I'm sad about that lol. Mabe ZAC could offer a cheaper trip for returning customers!
But its still lame the guy cut off access. Mabe he would be hip to the service project.. . .
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06-03-2009, 02:52 PM #49
I'd still like to see a plot plan of who actually owns what up at Oak Creek.... that would be a great first step for a group seeking access and it should be public record I'd guess... I always take it with a large grain of salt when someone tells me they own everything as far as you can see in either direction....
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06-03-2009, 03:19 PM #50Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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06-03-2009, 03:22 PM #51
I have already had my turn in the barrel....
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06-03-2009, 04:14 PM #52
from the Washington County Recorder's Office
http://maps.washco.utah.gov/imf/imf....te=washco_main
My neighbor (though I don't know them personally) owns 12/20ths of the undivided parcel, of which Washington County owns 1/20th, as well as several other people/families. The South Fork/Eye of the Needle I understand is on the undivided 20 acre parcel.
All the beta I have seen enters from the end of the road in Kolob Pines, travels through the church property to the canyon...Hold my glasses, I'm going to jump!
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06-03-2009, 04:15 PM #53Originally Posted by Iceaxe
http://maps.washco.utah.gov/imf/imf....te=washco_main
Hopefully I got the right place. This is Oak Creek just above where it joins up with Kolob Creek.
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06-03-2009, 04:15 PM #54
Not sure if this helps any but back on toms website it has a map of the surrounding land and plots of who owns them. I am pretty sure thay the Reber piece of land is a very good friend of mine. He has told me that he owns land up there but i never really inquired about it. There are a lot of Reber's in southern utah so that might not be his but when i get a hold of him i will let you guys know. If this is the case can we go to his property and then take the creek down staying in the creek bed?
IT ALWAYS LOOKS HIGHER FROM THE TOP!!!!
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06-03-2009, 04:17 PM #55
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06-03-2009, 04:38 PM #56
So looking at this.... the route I have posted only crosses LDS Chruch property and is not even close to Bird's property....
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06-03-2009, 04:59 PM #57
Does it look like one could start from BLM land hug the canyon rim of south fork and not even cross Mr. Birds or LDS Camp Kolob land?
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06-03-2009, 05:40 PM #58Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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06-03-2009, 05:43 PM #59
By reading the byrd email I am betting he thinks or owns the piece that says no owner of record.
Mark
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06-03-2009, 09:40 PM #60Originally Posted by frank'n'beans
Maybe folks could return in kind and perform that same public service in the Oak Creek forks? In fact, I remember when someone from ZAC told me that Oak Creek wasn't bolted, and, should stay that way to respect the established route.
I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of natural anchors, or, folks could just use longer ropes in there.
Maybe start with Oak, then move "South"?
Hee hee hee...
-Brian in SLC
ps: great land owner maps!
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