Webbing anchors

[moab mark]

Heres my question for tonight, the responses to my other questions have been helpful.

On my questions lets assume we are not ghosting any of these.

Have a nice ponderosa a couple of feet from the edge?

Said ponderosa is 100 ft from the edge?

Last but not least on the 100 ft, we have no webbing?

I realize there are several different ways to rig these, I am just wondering how those with alot more experience then myself would do it.

Are you wrap 2 pull one, just slinging, overhand in webbing, girth hitching etc.

Mark

[ratagonia]

Heres my question for tonight, the responses to my other questions have been helpful.

On my questions lets assume we are not ghosting any of these.

Have a nice ponderosa a couple of feet from the edge?

Said ponderosa is 100 ft from the edge?

Last but not least on the 100 ft, we have no webbing?

I realize there are several different ways to rig these, I am just wondering how those with alot more experience then myself would do it.

Are you wrap 2 pull one, just slinging, overhand in webbing, girth hitching etc.

Mark

OK, I'll bight...

1. Close to the edge, short rappel: use retrievable sling anchor, using 3X rope (a 2-ring sling with separate sling-puller for instance).
2. If I have my Omnisling, I could do it with that, a little cleaner.
3. Close to the edge, long rappel: put on a wrap-3, Pull-1 high on the tree to improve the pulling angle.
4. 100' back, plenty of webbing: short rap = sling it short, pull rope from way back, ignore rope grooves. Better with the Omnisling.
5. Long rap: find an anchor close to the edge. Or, sling it long, send trackrunner afterward to fetch the webbing.
6. Long rap, no webbing: go home or go do another canyon!
7. Long rap, no webbing: good thing I brought my omnisling. Hard to get it to work in those circumstances, but we finally got it to pull!

Tom

[moab mark]

On #5 it probably doesn't make much difference but would you girth hitch the tree or use a overhand with a follow thru.

Since posting this I went over to your site and noticed you have put up a webbing section now. On your wrap and pull picture if you wanted to have the rapide hang over the edge and then put in a courtesy tie in up by the tree how would you tie that?

Mark

[trackrunner]

Don't girth hitch a living tree.

If it's a long ways away from the edge I'd do it like this over a girth hitch if the tree is living & none of Tom's other methods would work for me (pic stolen from Tom's website look at the site link for beter details)

http://canyoneeringusa.com/cusapress...web/index2.php

[moab mark]

I had not seen page two of Tom's webbing instructions. Nice Thanks Tom. Having seen that I would not of started this thread.
Mark

[ratagonia]

On #5 it probably doesn't make much difference but would you girth hitch the tree or use a overhand with a follow thru.

Since posting this I went over to your site and noticed you have put up a webbing section now. On your wrap and pull picture if you wanted to have the rapide hang over the edge and then put in a courtesy tie in up by the tree how would you tie that?

Mark

That's an advantage of the tying the loop to the tree (blue webbing, using a re-threaded overhand on a bight). With the webbing set for retrieval, you can put a big biner on the loop around the tree, and clip the rapide in there. Last person removes the biner. All set, ready to go.

Tom