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Thread: In-line figure 8
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01-22-2009, 02:41 PM #1
In-line figure 8
Anyone know a link to, or have a description of (preferably photo description) an in-line figure 8? Also, what do you use it for?
Life is Good
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01-22-2009 02:41 PM # ADS
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01-22-2009, 02:50 PM #2
I've seen it used to equalize anchors....
Inline Figure 8 Knot
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01-22-2009, 02:53 PM #3
Re: In-line figure 8
Originally Posted by Scott Card
Tom
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01-22-2009, 02:59 PM #4
Scott here is a website that shows most of the knots being tied.
http://animatedknots.com/indexclimbi...matedknots.com
It's a great site.
Mark
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01-22-2009, 03:02 PM #5
Re: In-line figure 8
Originally Posted by ratagonia
T
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01-22-2009, 03:07 PM #6
Thanks guys. Most helpful! Tom, I agree with the Alpine Butterfly. I can tie that in my sleep and frankly I use the butterfly all the time to tie stuff down on my truck.
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01-22-2009, 03:40 PM #7
Re: In-line figure 8
Originally Posted by ratagoniaLife is Good
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01-22-2009, 04:08 PM #8
Re: In-line figure 8
Originally Posted by Scott Card
http://www.overstock.com/Books-Movie...5/product.html
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01-22-2009, 04:09 PM #9
Re: In-line figure 8
Originally Posted by Scott Card
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01-22-2009, 04:14 PM #10
Re: In-line figure 8
Originally Posted by oldno7Life is Good
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01-22-2009, 04:28 PM #11
So the next question is Oldno 7 what does the aca do different?
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01-22-2009, 04:38 PM #12
This is how I was taught.
I'll see if I can post the correct progression.
You start your first loop in the opposite direction you intend to pull from.
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01-22-2009, 05:06 PM #13
Scott
Are studying knots for a canyon leader exam?
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01-22-2009, 05:28 PM #14Originally Posted by moab mark
And I learned the in-line figure-8 from the ACA, too, but I learned how to tie it even differently, starting with a "S" shape and progressing from there.
For usefulness, this knot used to be taught as part of the mechanism to tighten the guide line in a guided rappel (preferably when the rope is wet to offset the heat that can build up as a result of friction).
And, Scott, if you're going for your ACA Merit Badge, let me know because I'm selling really pretty, green sashes on eBay for you guys to display them on!
However, I do not accept ACA Points - only cash and PayPal!"The ACA is a non-profit organization..."
- Rich Carlson, the ACA's founder/president/director/self-appointed king
"A man cannot be comfortable without his own approval."
- Mark Twain
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01-22-2009, 05:45 PM #15Originally Posted by skianddiveRich Carlson, Instructor
YouTube Channel: CanyonsCrags
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01-22-2009, 06:11 PM #16
i have been climbing over 30 years now and am not usually stumped by the knots that i have seen discussed here. but this inline 8 is a new one.
i'm not sure why you wouldn't just use an 8 on a bight? most likely the 8 on a bight is a stronger knot. the inline 8 does look easier to untie after loading though. and while the alpine butterfly is a good middleman knot for alpine travel i don't know as i would use it as my first choice for a intermediate anchor knot. which i am assuming that is what the purpose of this knot is. it certainly would not work for a middleman tie-in for glacier travel as it appears to be a directional knot. possibly you might use it on a fixed line situation or in an attempt to equalize the load on multiple inline anchors, but then there couldn't be any possible change in the direction of pull.But if I agreed with you, we would both be wrong.
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01-22-2009, 06:45 PM #17
Les
You are correct in that it is directional, usually used in conjunction with tensioning lines, as Lee stated in a canyon situation possibly tensioning a guide line for a guided rappel.
on a side note:
Lee
I don't know you from adam but your continual attacks on the ACA become tiresome. I guess you had a bad experience with Rich some years ago, so the ACA is not only Rich but many other capable canyoneers. Do you have a beef with all of us? Surely you wouldn't deny that Rich has taught many canyoneers and made the sport inheritantly safer?
Spare me the you should have known him back when, I really am tired of the contoversy
I enjoy the sport and I enjoy learning, I've learned alot from many people and hope to continue to do so. If you have intelligent things to add to this discussion jump in and help us out.
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01-22-2009, 08:55 PM #18Originally Posted by oldno7Life is Good
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01-22-2009, 09:09 PM #19
Sounds like all the right reasons, best of luck to you and your scout group.
e-mail me if you have any questions or need any help preparing for the exam. cougar at netutah dot com
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01-22-2009, 09:25 PM #20Originally Posted by denaliguide
For low load applications (ie, everything we do), 8 on a bight is probably just as good. The directional 8 has the advantage that the "through" direction is pretty close to full strength, which is not true of an 8 on a bight. The Alpine Butterfly is probably inbetween, and stays together when loaded "through" better than an 8 on a bight.
Tom
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