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Thread: I Fell 106 Feet. And Lived.
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12-10-2008, 07:07 PM #41
Man, I luv's me a good internet fight that I'm not involved in...
I wore a hole in my cord at a double fisherman's knot. Ok, was on my Prusik cord on my harness, but, still. Left that rig as part of a rappel anchor. I still miss it. My two biners more, though.
Haven't used a double fisherman's to tie ropes together for some time. Still see folks do it, though. I much prefer a flemish bend and will leave a loop on the down side if I might need a clip in point. Unless I'm rappelling free air and then using two tied in ropes to belay with (a sketchy practise for TRin' really long routes), I use an EDK almost exclusively.
As far as using daisy chains to anchor in with, I don't consider one any more.
http://www.bdel.com/videos/daisy.html
I do from time to time consider a Metolius loopy chain anchor thingy (I think Sterling makes one too). Pretty bomber and no loops to bust. Also, bit more "give" than dyneema/spectra. Most often I just anchor in with a simple sewn sling or two.
Anyone use a Purcell Prusik with sewn webbing? The more I play with that style of anchor, the more I like it.
Cheers,
-Brian in SLC
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12-10-2008 07:07 PM # ADS
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12-10-2008, 07:17 PM #42Originally Posted by Brian in SLC
(affectionately)
Tom
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12-10-2008, 10:39 PM #43
Does this picture reflect the rigging that she was attempting to set-up on the last rap?
Some people "go" through life and other people "grow" through life. -Robert Holden
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12-10-2008, 11:35 PM #44Originally Posted by Darling Felicia
Your picture is from....?
T
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12-11-2008, 05:56 AM #45Originally Posted by Sir Tom
:-)Some people "go" through life and other people "grow" through life. -Robert Holden
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12-11-2008, 06:18 AM #46
It's also a perfectly good use of a knot block as well as a double fisherman(joining 2 unequal diameter ropes)
The prudent group might leave the pull side on top until the last person(we'll call him/her LAMAR) raps, thus eliminating any confusion.
Judging from the photo it may have been equally prudent to rig double strand below the DF, but that might be an entirely different subject(rapping 2 unequal diameter ropes)
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12-11-2008, 07:29 AM #47Originally Posted by oldno7
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12-11-2008, 08:20 AM #48Originally Posted by FeliciaOriginally Posted by ratagonia
I also spy free gear here. Did you take it? (a locking rapide)
Note to mods: this thread probably should be split into two maybe three threads. (1. I fell 106 feet; 2. Are ther issues joining two ropes with a double fishermens or other knots; and maybe 3. "rapping on the pull side" or "issues to watch for rapping SRT" but this could easily be part of discussion on I fell 106 feet.)
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12-11-2008, 08:33 AM #49Originally Posted by trackrunnerThe man thong is wrong.
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12-11-2008, 08:54 AM #50Originally Posted by Felicia
If this is the setup katlin used and she really clipped to the wrong side I can see how the free end feeding through the biner and rapids might have slowed her down some.
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12-11-2008, 08:55 AM #51Originally Posted by Jaxx
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12-11-2008, 09:11 AM #52Originally Posted by Jaxx
Kurt does have a good point. Leave the pull strand at the top in a rope bag. Clear as to wihch strand to rap on, only one. Last person down clips the rope bag to harness and raps.
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12-11-2008, 09:32 AM #53
ya you guys are right. I didn't notice it wasn't clipped into the anchor, pretty big oversight on my part.
The man thong is wrong.
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12-11-2008, 12:32 PM #54Originally Posted by trackrunner
Originally Posted by JaxxSome people "go" through life and other people "grow" through life. -Robert Holden
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12-11-2008, 01:18 PM #55Originally Posted by Felicia
The idea is to have two of everything in the system so if one item fails you have a complete back-up.
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12-11-2008, 01:29 PM #56
[quote=Felicia]Based on a recent thread (somewhere - *lol*) I now understand that by clipping the knot into the rap side acts as back-up if the knot slipped through. Is this correct? It seems to me that even if the knot passed through, the biner would not
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12-11-2008, 01:53 PM #57
Ice beat me to it. I had a big long responce to answer your question.
[quote=Felicia]Originally Posted by Jaxx
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12-11-2008, 02:12 PM #58
A little more food for thought here... I'm thinking the CP canyoneering community might be a lot safer if more people were using toss-n-go and rapping double strand.... I'm a big supporter of the KISS system..... I believe this is particularly true with beginners and intermediates..... Every additional step in the system is one more item you can screw up.
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12-11-2008, 04:31 PM #59Originally Posted by Felicia
A second rapide? Well, people seem to like em, not sure why. Once in a while we get those gravity pulses where gravity goes up by 20X and un-backed-up 8000 lb rapides break, but they are pretty rare.
Tom
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. Ralph Waldo Emerson
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12-11-2008, 04:34 PM #60Originally Posted by Darling Iceaxe
Hopefully, most of us have already figured out that if you screw up your rigging, you could die.
Tom
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