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10-12-2008, 05:22 AM #1
I don't understand...
Hunters stranded near Ben Lomond Peak
October 11th, 2008 @ 9:59pm
(KSL News) Search and rescue crews are in the process of helping a father and son who are stranded on Ben Lomond Peak.
The two were hunting in the mountains when they got lost.
There is nearly a foot of snow in the area, and officials say the pair was not prepared for the elements. Officials found the men's ATVs this afternoon, and after hours of searching they located the father and son. They are now helping them down the mountain.
They are cold and wet and have mild hypothermia but are expected to recover.
Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit, as vital to our lives and water and good bread
- Edward Abbey
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10-12-2008 05:22 AM # ADS
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10-12-2008, 06:48 AM #2
People get lost in Wal-Farts parking lot
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10-12-2008, 07:54 AM #3
People like this should not be allowed hunting licenses. How anyone can say they are "lost" in this area is ridiculous. Especially now days with GPS.
Anyone who hunts knows that you have to pay attention to weather reports and be prepared to spend the night if you decided to go out when a storm is approaching.
I think that these guys just wanted someone else to get them off the mountain before it got dark. I sure hope that they have to pay for this "rescue".
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10-12-2008, 09:20 AM #4Originally Posted by Last Child
They left their ATV's which implies that they probably ran out of fuel as well.
Sheesh!
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10-12-2008, 01:34 PM #5
Maybe they were members of SUWA, and once the snow covered the trail, there was no trail, making ATV use purely illegal.
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10-12-2008, 02:13 PM #6Originally Posted by Sombeech
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10-12-2008, 03:41 PM #7Originally Posted by BruteForce
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10-12-2008, 09:02 PM #8Originally Posted by greyhair biker
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10-12-2008, 09:24 PM #9Originally Posted by Sombeech
Now I don't care who you are, that wuz funny right dere'
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10-13-2008, 05:15 AM #10Originally Posted by deathcricket
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10-13-2008, 08:22 AM #11Originally Posted by BruteForce
According to early reports from other sources, the lost-ees were hunting mountain goats. So the only legal use of ATVs in that area that makes sense would be to; 1) drive ATVs to Willard Basin, park, and hike, or 2) drive to the Inspiration Point viewpoint, park, and hike. The latter makes for a shorter hike to the Willard Peak & Ben Lomond Peak area, but it's initially on a more difficult trail that follows a rocky spine. In the Willard Basin area, if they were on anything other than the main road or a pullout / parking area with their ATVs, they were violating the travel plan.
But, violating travel plans is routine for many ATV riders -- including the majority, who imagine themselves as responsible trail users -- because most don't understand the difference between "staying on designated trails" and just "staying on trails."
The Motorized Vehicle Use Map booklet for the Ogden Ranger District is available on-line at:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r4/uwc/maps/wcn...08_low_res.pdf
See Map 3A, page 14. Note that the Skyline Trail is a singletrack that's open to motorcycles but NOT ATVs.
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10-13-2008, 10:11 AM #12Originally Posted by Nick DangerPlease buy my book - "Paiute ATV Trail Guide" at www.atvutah.com - I need gas money!!!!
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10-13-2008, 10:17 AM #13Originally Posted by Nick Danger
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10-13-2008, 10:45 AM #14
It used to be in the "olden days" that you were left to fend on your own. Now we are all just a bunch of pussies and if we are a few minutes overdue it's an emergency. What happened to fend for yourself? Some of the best memories are those frantic, improvisation moments.
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10-13-2008, 10:53 AM #15Originally Posted by Bo_Beck
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10-13-2008, 12:13 PM #16
ATV Paiute Trail!
Is your book distributed by anyone in particular? Liberty, Peregrine, Falcon, Mountaineers, Stackpole???? I will stock it in Outdoor Outlet. It seems that I've had it before, but I don't remember
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10-13-2008, 12:39 PM #17Originally Posted by BruteForce
Sad, but nope not odd at all.
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10-13-2008, 12:50 PM #18Originally Posted by BruteForce
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10-13-2008, 01:42 PM #19
You all probably don't want to know or hear this shit or already know it, but i'll throw it out anyway. Positive error is really useful when it comes to finding your way back. We all use it. Example: You hike due north (TN) 0 Degrees for 2 miles........you get on top of a knoll.... you want to get back to your car on a E-W running road. Do you take a 180 Deg Bearing? Nope! Take a 170 course so that when you hit the east-west road you'll turn right to get to your car. If you take a 180 Deg. Bearing you'll hit the road and not see your car and not know if you should turn right or left to get back to your car.
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10-13-2008, 04:40 PM #20Originally Posted by Bo_Beck
Thanks for the post, Bo, and the graphic to illustrate your point!"The ACA is a non-profit organization..."
- Rich Carlson, the ACA's founder/president/director/self-appointed king
"A man cannot be comfortable without his own approval."
- Mark Twain
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