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Thread: Term "Canyoneering"
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09-23-2008, 03:13 PM #1
Term "Canyoneering"
For a paper I am writing, I get to choose something from American culture (idea, thing, word) and describe how it came about and how it has diffused or moved from one place to another.
I am looking into the possibility of doing my paper on the word (not necessarily the sport) "Canyoneering", since it is something I am interested in
I need to know things like:
When and where was the word first used?
When was it used to refer to Canyoneering as we know it today?
Who started using it first? second? and so on?
How did the term spread to other places from it's original location?
Any info or ideas would be appreciated and helpful.
Thanks
Tristan N.
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09-23-2008 03:13 PM # ADS
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09-23-2008, 03:57 PM #2
steve allen has a litte bit about this on p.40 of Canyoneering 3: Loop Hikes in the Escalante.
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09-23-2008, 05:42 PM #3
Didn't think to look in that one. But will do. Thanks.
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09-23-2008, 10:44 PM #4When and where was the word first used?
When was it used to refer to Canyoneering as we know it today?
Who started using it first? second? and so on?
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09-24-2008, 11:56 AM #5
My first introduction was here:
The gostak distims the doshes.
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09-24-2008, 02:47 PM #6
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Bo has been canyoneering long before the term was used and has a lot of opinions on it and should be able to tell you some history behind it. If he does not see this thread then pm him. He still likes to call it "hiking with a rope"
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09-24-2008, 04:48 PM #7Originally Posted by tanya
turville, bogart et al. referred to it as gorging in the 70s.
steve allen uses the term canyoneering more generally than folks around here. he generalizes the term to essentially include everything down to doing off-trail hiking that involves nontrivial route-finding, ascents, descents, traverse, etc. which may not necessarily be "technical" in the sense that they require ropes or high-grade climbing skills. along these lines the term "technical canyoneering" can describe the use of ropes and high-grade climbing moves to negotiate the desert topography which is not necessarily exclusive to slot canyons.
some folks (especially on these forums) choose to use the term canyoneering or technical canyoneering to mean, in this exclusive sense, that you are descending (sometimes ascending) narrow or deep technical canyons requiring the use of ropes and/or climbing skills.
i am also curious when the term canyoning first originated, which tends to be applied to the watery narrow canyons found in mountainous regions around the world.
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09-25-2008, 07:37 AM #8Originally Posted by tanya
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09-25-2008, 07:53 AM #9
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There is a difference between when the term canyoneering was first used and those that did the activity actually heard it and it became commonly used. I doubt back then that there were internet groups or even much in the way of books on the subject and things were just spread word of mouth. That is what I meant by "before the term was used"
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09-25-2008, 07:54 AM #10Originally Posted by Bo_Beck
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09-25-2008, 08:15 AM #11Originally Posted by Bo_Beck
whatever it's called...it sure is fun!
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09-25-2008, 10:20 AM #12Originally Posted by tanya
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09-25-2008, 10:42 AM #13Originally Posted by Bo_Beck
-Brian in SLC
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09-25-2008, 02:14 PM #14
After a bit of googling I came across this letter to the editor in the February 1960 issue of Desert magazine viewable at Scribd.com
Canyoneer," Continued . . .
Desert:
The debate between "Doc" Marston,
Randall Henderson, et al., over "canyoneer"
versus "river rat" strikes me as rather
pointless, since both men seem to have
overlooked the different shades of meaning
in the two terms.
To me a "river rat" is one who finds his
recreation in boating on rivers whether fast
or slow, placid or turbulent. A "canyoneer,"
on the other hand, is one who loves the
canyons, whether his mode of travel be by
boat, pack mule or shanks' mare. He need
not even be a competent boatman to be a
canyoneer.
As editor of American White Water 1
have endeavored to avoid using the terms
interchangeably; even though the two avocations
can (and frequently do) overlap in
the same person, they may also be distinct
and separate. Take my own case as an
example. I am a river rat 12 months a
year; during the brief weeks I am able to
spend in the West 1 am also a canyoneer.
And in both capacities I am saddened by
the apparent success of the campaign to
destroy our beautiful rivers and canyons
with dams of questionable justification. Let's
quit quibbling over terms and get together
to try to save the sites where both fraternities
find their enjoyment.
MARTIN VANDERVEEN
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09-25-2008, 02:20 PM #15Originally Posted by erial
...unless the class is one in pyschology, or in manipulation, getting other people to do your work...
(harumph)
Tom
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09-25-2008, 03:12 PM #16
But this is research, isn't it?
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09-25-2008, 03:16 PM #17
as long as bogley is cited in the references
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09-26-2008, 08:25 PM #18Originally Posted by ratagonia
Maybe a class in late 19th century American lit?
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09-27-2008, 03:22 PM #19
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09-27-2008, 03:47 PM #20Originally Posted by ratagonia
Now this is not to say that I did not appreciate the original question. I had a great time doing my own research and was looking forward to chatting about my finds. (I love to research. Ask a question - who, what, when, where, why and how?)
Experience is gained when you do not get what you want. Don't do canyonsrcool's homework and he will gain research experience.
On the upside; this is a fascinating subject and I would love to read the final work product and see an engaging conversation ensue as a result of his research.
Some people "go" through life and other people "grow" through life. -Robert Holden
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