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    Utah's concealed-weapons permit under scrutiny

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    Utah's concealed-weapons permit under scrutiny
    June 18th, 2008 @ 5:42pm

    Richard Piatt reporting

    Utah is on track to grant more than 40,000 concealed-weapons permits this year; that's way up from about 28,000 last year.

    And so far this year, nearly half were granted to out-of-state residents. So what is the next step? As you can imagine, there is a sharp difference of opinion about this matter. One democratic senator says this is a matter of public safety. More conservative lawmakers say there is no problem.


    Utah's concealed-weapons permits are among the least expensive and widely recognized in the nation. And to get one, out-of-state residents don't even have to set foot in the state. Today, state law enforcement officials say they're being overwhelmed by demand for the permits. Richard Townsend, with the Department of Public Safety, said, "We are having a very difficult time administering the out-of-state component to this issue."


    Gov. Jon Huntsman has recently asked the Department of Public safety to seek clarification of the law, but is it working? Is it a good idea? It was exclusively democrat lawmakers asking those questions at a legislative meeting. In particular: application of rigorous background checks for gun permit applicants. Sen. Scott McCoy, D-Salt Lake City, said, "That same process that doesn't exist for any permit that leaves the state of Utah. And goes to a resident that isn't a resident of the state of Utah."

    Dee Rowland, with the Gun Violence Prevention Center, said, "Utah residents have a daily background check, I think that's good, I think until we can do that kind of thing with out-of-state permits, we are taking a great risk with other people's lives."

    Defenders of gun owners' rights say Utah's law and permit system is working so well, in fact, that it's an example for other states. The majority of this committee hinted that future legislation on the issue is premature.

    Clark Aposhian, with the Utah Shooting Sports Council, said, "We have yet to see a problem, let alone a pattern of problems with people being issued permits in other states. The ability to defend oneself should not stop at the border of a state."

    The bottom line for everyone is safety. But there is a philosophical difference between the two sides about what that means when it comes to firearms, who carries them and how they're carried.

    E-mail: rpiatt@ksl.com

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    Re: Utah's concealed-weapons permit under scrutiny

    Dee Rowland, with the Gun Violence Prevention Center, said, "Utah residents have a daily background check, I think that's good, I think until we can do that kind of thing with out-of-state permits, we are taking a great risk with other people's lives."
    I think that's a completely invalid argument against issuing non-resident permits. It's up to the discretion of the other states whether or not to recognize Utah's concealed firearm permit. If Utah's standards aren't good enough, other states aren't required to honor Utah's CFP. There, problem solved.

    The other issue mentioned in the article, regarding BCI staff being overwhelmed by out-of-state applicants, I think should be addressed. I would at least like to see Utah residents given priority over non-residents. I mailed off my CFP renewal application more than a week ago, and they still haven't cashed the check.

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    The other issue mentioned in the article, regarding BCI staff being overwhelmed by out-of-state applicants, I think should be addressed. I would at least like to see Utah residents given priority over non-residents. I mailed off my CFP renewal application more than a week ago, and they still haven't cashed the check. Frustrated
    I had to wait that long when I first got my permit in 2000. Maybe it's just normal government slowness.

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    I got mine recently and it took about 6 weeks for it to come back in the mail. Wasn't too bad but I was always checking the mailbox.

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    Jeeze, you guys are lucky. When I got mine in 2003 I waited nearly 5 months. I understand they are doing much better now. I think there is a rule that says they have to do it in 90 days, but weren't able to due to the demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parrothead_madness
    Jeeze, you guys are lucky. When I got mine in 2003 I waited nearly 5 months.
    Wow...I got mine in 2003 (June) as well, and I only had to wait 33 days. I hope they process renewals faster than new applications, 'cause I've got less than two weeks before my current permit expires.

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    Mine is due in December, I'll have to find out how early I can send it in, just in case.

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