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Thread: Dark Canyon
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04-14-2008, 02:37 PM #1
Dark Canyon
Anyone done Dark Canyon yet this year and have beta? Anything I should be concerned about going next week? Never done it before. Is 60 cfs likely to be a problem with the East Fork exit? (I do see the escape route at the Parunuweap/EFVR junction from Shane's site.)
Can you see the bottom?
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04-14-2008 02:37 PM # ADS
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04-14-2008, 02:44 PM #2
Dark Canyon
You mean Rock Canyon?
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04-14-2008, 02:49 PM #3Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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04-14-2008, 03:16 PM #4
I'm a little confused--Isn't EFVR the same as Parunaweap? Other than ones water and ones a canyon?
Lots a stuff out there is dark.(well not lots)
More info please
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04-14-2008, 03:18 PM #5
I stumbled upon this while searching for something else.
http://bogley.com/forum/viewtopic.ph...t=camping+zionThe man thong is wrong.
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04-14-2008, 03:22 PM #6Originally Posted by oldno7
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04-14-2008, 03:35 PM #7Originally Posted by trackrunner
Unofficially it's closed at the Falls.
Which means you can visit the falls from the top and probably never have a problem....
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04-14-2008, 03:36 PM #8Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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04-14-2008, 03:39 PM #9
There is a Dark Canyon and it's really an awesome canyon. The problem is that Dark Canyon (the same one mentioned in the thread) is located where the Colorado empties into Lake Powell and is no where near Zion.
We used to access with our boats and hike up Dark Canyon from the lake, but no way in hell you could get a boat near there right now.
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04-14-2008, 04:29 PM #10
Rock, not Dark
Uh, check that on DARK Canyon, which is very pleasant this time of year. But I meant to say ROCK canyon. I wish I could fire my editor.
Can you see the bottom?
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04-14-2008, 04:38 PM #11
And Another Thing
And yes, that's the EFVR/Rock Canyon junction. Sorry for the confusion. So, now that we've got that cleared up, and I've supplied enough evidence to convict me of terminal idiocy, sounds like Rock will probably be OK?
And yeah, totally agree on Dark Canyon. Beautiful place, nice pools, but the talus hike in/out on the Sundance Trail is pretty brutal. But that's another subject ... er, canyon.Can you see the bottom?
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04-14-2008, 04:41 PM #12
Not sure what gauge you are using.... but a true 60cfs through Parunuweap should not be a problem. I think you could pretty much do the canyon at double that but haven't tried. The only real danger in Parunuweap is a constriction that sometimes becomes a strainer. The constriction/strainer is located below French Canyon and above Misery. Parunuweap doesn't really start to get tight until you hit the confluence with Misery.
Photo of constriction that sometimes becomes a strainer.
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04-14-2008, 04:42 PM #13
watch for the ichy plant life going out French...
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04-14-2008, 05:13 PM #14
Re: Dark Canyon
Originally Posted by Mudcat
I also echo the sentiment to watch out for poisen ivy in french. There's a ton of it.beefcake. BEEFCAKE!
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04-14-2008, 06:34 PM #15
Using USGS for EFVR (http://waterdata.usgs.gov/ut/nwis/uv?09404900) which shows flows hovering around 61 for the past week. I'm assuming neo isn't necessary, except maybe on the feet. If I'm wrong, someone please let me know.
Thanks for the warning on the poison ivy. I hate that stuff!Can you see the bottom?
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04-14-2008, 06:51 PM #16Originally Posted by Mudcat
Also the gauge you have is the East Fork of Virgin at Springdale. As Tom Jones pointed out since you'll be up canyon the flow will be less than what is on the website.
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04-15-2008, 05:59 AM #17
Thanks Trackrunner. I did try to search it before I asked, but wasn't successful. Could you be referring to the Fat Man's Misery TR? Good point--that beta is applicable once in the East Fork. I'm guessing Rock itself is not too wet?
We'll bring pack capacity to clean the old webbing.Can you see the bottom?
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04-15-2008, 06:08 AM #18
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Originally Posted by marc olivares
All I can say is that those chlorine and baking soda (think that is what it was) baths help.
The other times through I found it was simply better to just bend back at your knees and lean way back.
There is lots of that itchy plant life along the banks of Pweap it looks like but I have walked through that before I noticed and had no affects?
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04-15-2008, 08:26 AM #19Originally Posted by Mudcat
From locals I'm told the road out to Rock isn't to bad in the spring, but turns to soft deep sand by mid summer. For some reason they say it always firms up some over the winter. YMMV... I say a 4x4 and shovel are mandatory equipment.
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04-15-2008, 08:51 AM #20Originally Posted by Iceaxe
I think the best exit is on the left ridge(ldc) as you exit the bottom of the canyon. Slight scrambling up to the end of a good 4x4 trail. Then hike the trail back to your vehichle. Saw very fresh and very large cougar track in there last year.(on trail out)
And for the anti ATV crowd--2 atv's work very well as a shuttle out of this canyon. Or so I've been told
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