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03-10-2008, 06:38 PM #1
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HydroSkin Pant for Canyoneering?
Would these be good for when it's fairly warm, but the water is cold? And if it is good then is it light and compacts easy to carry? And a neoprene short sleeved top could be worn with it if needed.
I know most take a shortie wetsuit, but if the water if mostly not too deep then the wetsuit is not keeping much warm.. right? --- I guess the important parts are kept warm though.
http://gear.alpinezone.com/atn/shop/...kin_Pants.html
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03-11-2008, 11:09 AM #2
But are your legs/body staying dry. Good cloths can keep you warm when it is cold and windy. Wet cloths can not keep you warm. I can't tell if the pants will also keep you dry.
Last November I went and did a canyon with a small water section (not too deep) we were not expecting. My friend's sister wore shorts and after exiting the water section dried off and put on some tights to stay warm. That worked well.
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03-11-2008, 11:50 AM #3
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Originally Posted by trackrunner
There are neoprene pants that would work for sure, but these sounded more comforable and maybe lighter to carry? I am just not sure what they are exactly I guess.
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03-11-2008, 01:53 PM #4Originally Posted by tanya
Tom
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03-11-2008, 02:02 PM #5
As you alluded to in your original post, Tanya, our bodies lose heat in water primarily through some specific locations: (1) head/neck, (2) armpits, (3) crotch, and (4) chest. That's why shorties can keep us warm because they protect the latter 3 areas. But as you probably know, wetsuits do not keep us dry, and, in fact, they require a layer of water between your body and the neoprene to keep you warm.
The NRS HydroSkin is constructed of thin 0.5mm neoprene as its base layer, so it is designed to get wet like a wetsuit. In addition to keeping your legs warm (as long as you keep moving and keep the water heated), it should also be very comfortable to hike in and not constrict you like a thicker wetsuit.
http://www.nrsweb.com/shop/product.a...231&deptid=942
You might also consider the HydroSkin Capris which are "ideal for shorter women":
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03-11-2008, 02:29 PM #6
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Originally Posted by ratagonia
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03-11-2008, 02:32 PM #7
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Originally Posted by skianddive
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03-11-2008, 03:03 PM #8
Real men don't wear capri's... end of story.
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03-11-2008, 03:13 PM #9Originally Posted by tanya
Using your height as a guide for the latter pair, you would need a size 'small' and your measurements should be as follows:
Weight: 115-140 lbs
Chest: 32" - 36"
Waist: 28" - 31"
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03-11-2008, 03:53 PM #10
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Originally Posted by skianddive
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03-11-2008, 03:54 PM #11
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Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Do I ever agree!
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03-11-2008, 04:55 PM #12
Because these particular pants you are asking about cost more than ten bucks, they are automatically excluded from canyoneering. Canyoneering shreds stuff. Particularly that North Wash. Man, my 9 buck Shopko pants lasted only two canyons in the North Wash and that was with a major hole patch/ seam repair between canyons. I can't even imagine spending any kind of money for canyoneering clothing. I think Tom's next invention ought to be pants made out of the stuff he uses for his Leprechaun pack. I can report that after Larry, Monkey Business and half of Stair, the pack still looks virtually new. Great material.
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03-11-2008, 07:55 PM #13
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Originally Posted by Scott Card
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03-11-2008, 08:16 PM #14Originally Posted by Scott Card"The ACA is a non-profit organization..."
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03-11-2008, 08:21 PM #15
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Originally Posted by skianddive
You know how to get on my good side.
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03-20-2008, 09:36 AM #16
I recommend agaist them.
Tanya,
Due to the drama normally running rampant on a lot of the forums, I don't stay up with them, so I don't know if it is to late.
I own the HydroSkin and used them when I got into canyoning.
A little background (may be pointless) Wore in Class C on Maui and I'm a tall skinny bastard, that pumps out heat but has no insulation on me.
I actually found myself to be warmer just wearing shorts, compared to wearing the HydroSkins with shorts over them protect the ass of the pants. The .5 once wet just keeps the cold water next to your skin, with that and the evaporation I found myself shivering a lot more with them on. After a few trips, half way through a canyon I removed the pants and just wore shorts the rest of the canyon. Was warmer for the lower part and have since never worn them.
If you are wearing them around a lot of water I would recommend against them.
Good Luck.
EW
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03-21-2008, 06:12 PM #17
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Thanks E.W.! I had not got around to ordering any since I was out of town!
What drama... we don't have that here! I keep all the boys in line.
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03-21-2008, 11:06 PM #18
Re: I recommend agaist them.
Originally Posted by wiese
If you wear your wetsuit/skin while stopped and/or where there is a breeze, then you will also get cold. Why? Because evaporation is an exothermic reaction wherein it will draw heat from your body as the water is whisked away from the wetsuit/skin. On dive boats, while moving from one location to another, divemasters frequently suggest that divers pull down the top of their wetsuit and put a towel or windbreaker around them to keep warm. I also make the same recommendation in our wet canyons here in SoCal.
EW, if you wore your skin in Hawaii and still got cold, I"The ACA is a non-profit organization..."
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03-21-2008, 11:29 PM #19
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They are back on my shopping list.
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04-02-2008, 10:12 AM #20
Been sitting here just smiling and wondering if it is even worth posting... well I am on lunch break, so what the hell.
FIRST AND FOREMOST it is whatever works for you, there is not right or wrong.
Skianddive, I feel we all know how wet suits work and I assume you do as well. Its been said before and you know this better than most if your running around in SoCal, a lot of people don't believe wet suits are really that great for canyoneering. (Yea, if your playing in class C it's a different story, so lets leave class C out of it for now.)
But lets think about what you said about suits and canyoneering at the same time and see if it is the "right environment". Lets face it canyoneering is not really a high activity sport, the majority of the activities are walking and descending. And now with that said, if you are in a group, we all walk down canyon till you come to an obstacle where we all stand around waiting till its our turn. I am just saying we are not really pumping out energy, its a pretty leisurely sport where we are working with gravity and not against it.
If there is water around we normally hope in then hop out on the other side and continue down the canyon. Where are you spending more of your time in or out of water? I am assuming out, so why would we want to wear things that sole purpose is to trap water NEXT to the skin? Out of water a wet suit works just the opposite as it does in water and that is against you, because heat is transfered faster through water than air. Resulting in you losing more warmth than you would if you where not wearing them.
So, HydroSkins, Tanya they may work for ya, but for me the .5 insulation was not really much of insulation. And keeping cold water next to my skin while in a warm environment was beyond a dumb idea on my half.
Good luck shopping
EW
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