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02-16-2008, 07:16 AM #1
kennecott, the new west valley, er west jordan, no ... BFE
this kennecott talk just doesn't stop ...
you know, the further we sprawl out, the greater the driving distances one must travel, the more pollution is created, the more gas is used, the more one needs to spend on gas, the more time you waste traveling, ... also the more housing prices increase in the city centers.
i beat the drum again ... "we should be building UPWARDS not outwards!"
Kennecott opts for incremental development for SL Valley's west bench
By Jeremiah Stettler
The Salt Lake Tribune
Instead of touting its vast vision for Salt Lake County's west bench, Kennecott now will pitch its projects one Daybreak at a time.
The copper giant confirmed Thursday that it no longer will push for approval of its entire 41,000-acre master plan for west-bench development. Growth still will come, officials say, but in pieces.
Kennecott insists its blueprint hasn't changed - sprawling foothill communities, thousands of new jobs and perhaps a first-ever Oquirrh Mountain ski resort - but the building boom will pop up here and there as the company determines whether the property is better mined for real estate or minerals.
"This has always been a very long-term project for us," said Jim Schulte, vice president of long-range planning. "The vision is fully intact. We have every expectation that, over the course of decades, that vision will be implemented."
While mining operations are expected to continue until 2036, Kennecott already has unveiled plans to transform its sprawling west-side holdings - stretching from the Great Salt Lake to the Bingham Mine south of Herriman - into massive residential and business communities that someday could house up to a quarter of Salt Lake County's population.
That development - projected over the next 50 to 75 years - could bring 200,000 homes to the rolling Oquirrh foothills and create 109,000 jobs, according to the University of Utah's Bureau of Economic and Business Research.
It also could include the valley's first west-side ski resort - with elevations reaching 9,350 feet.
Kennecott's timeline hasn't changed. Neither have plans to complete South Jordan's Daybreak, where the copper company has carved a quaint west-side community that someday will stretch over 4,200 acres.
But open-space advocates worry about how effectively the county can push for land preservation without a comprehensive master plan of west-bench development.
"We have less information to deal with," said Lorna Vogt, the county's open-space program manager. "I don't know if that will mean we have less land in the future."
Kennecott leaders expect to huddle soon with county officials to discuss future developments. Schulte wouldn't say where those new neighborhoods would sprout, only that they likely would resemble Daybreak.
Until then, Kennecott's days of ore are far from fading. The company reported $1.6 billion in earnings last year with sizable spurts in copper, silver and gold production.
jstettler@sltrib.com
* Kennecott owns 41,000 acres of developable land along the west bench, or 53 percent of the property still available for development in the Salt Lake Valley.
* West-bench development is expected to house about 600,000 people, amounting to 26 percent of the Salt Lake Valley's population by 2060.
* While Kennecott's properties would sprout with about 200,000 homes, it also could include 58.6 million square feet of business space.
* The company also plans to build an Oquirrh Mountain ski resort that would rise to 9,350 feet.
* Once complete, the west bench would provide enough business to generate 109,200 new jobs and spawn a total of 261,700 positions countywide - an economic boost of $12.5 billion in personal income.
Source: Kennecott, University of Utah Bureau of Economic and Business Research
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02-16-2008 07:16 AM # ADS
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02-16-2008, 07:46 AM #2
Daybreak is a joke. Now that the housing economy has crashed they can't give those houses away, the new ones. And if you have already bought one and are trying to sell it, good luck because it will never happen. I work near the airport and during that last snow storm Wednesday there were people here that it took them three hours to get home instead of just the one hour.
My brothers and sisters some times make fun of my small old house in Murray. But I would happily buy a smaller and older house rather than drive 2.5+ hours a day to and from work. I
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02-16-2008, 10:53 AM #3
Funny how Brigham Young chose the SLV primarily because no one else wanted it. The people have done too well at showing the world how nice it is to live in Utah, so now are a victim of their own success. Building up might help, but won't make everyone happy. Here in Florida, the goal of everyone was to live on the coast. The solution was to build many high-rise condo buildings, which certainly provide coast living for huge numbers of people. Of course, it is difficult to even see the water through those buildings, so we have a new form of "pollution" that disturbs many people.
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02-16-2008, 10:56 AM #4
Yeah, Daybreak is a joke. I've got friends from CA who purchased a second home in Daybreak, planning on moving here. Shortly after they bought it, plans changed and they've had it on the market for over a year. No offers. Drive through Daybreak sometime and you'll lose count of how many 'For Sale' signs you see.
I heard from a co-worker recently, who does real estate work on the side, that Daybreak recently dropped the prices on their new home upwards of $100,000 or more because sales have come to a screeching halt! What a joke."All roads, all codes!"
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02-16-2008, 11:30 AM #5Originally Posted by sparker1
the city centers are in the center of the valleys. building upwards here is a reasonable thing to do and should be able to concentrate more people within the centers of the metropolitan area. it's starting to happen somewhat in downtown salt lake, but needs to be far more.
they project 5.5 million people in the wasatch front by 2050. i'd rather there be density over insane sprawl.
i wonder if there will be enough water for that many people.
Here in Florida, the goal of everyone was to live on the coast. The solution was to build many high-rise condo buildings, which certainly provide coast living for huge numbers of people. Of course, it is difficult to even see the water through those buildings, so we have a new form of "pollution" that disturbs many people.
everyone "needs" their little(or rather BIG) piece o' heaven ... but it's just not sustainable
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02-16-2008, 12:36 PM #6
It seems to be an American peculiarity to want your own piece of land, and it is unreasonable for those who have theirs to prevent others from having it. I have always been impressed by the cities that make it desirable for folks to live downtown (most of which are outside the US). Calgary is one that comes to mind, although it still has a lot of sprawl.
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02-16-2008, 01:42 PM #7Originally Posted by sparker1
I have always been impressed by the cities that make it desirable for folks to live downtown (most of which are outside the US). Calgary is one that comes to mind, although it still has a lot of sprawl.
i guess what bugs me is the apathy towards urban sprawl. it's recognized but most are quite indifferent to it, it seems to me. it's almost as if america has decided this is the way of things, which is truly unfortunate.
oh ... and i can't WAIT to see washington county in 50 years ... zion should be a truly lovely place then, thanks to a forward thinking government
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02-16-2008, 02:09 PM #8Originally Posted by stefan
My girlfriend's son's girlfriend who lived in Arizona most of her life, now living in Colorado where he is working, came out here for Christmas. She was really taken back by how many roads we have back here. I know with my trips out to you guys, how few roads you have, what a plus. You have no idea.
I hear Stan loud and clear about coastal Florida. The growth down their every time I go visit my Mom is incredible. Stan, what about SR50? Can they put anymore Home Depots or Lowes on that road? Seems like when your leaving Orange County going into Lake, those things are every half mile or so You can see that wave of growth heading right for the West Coast
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02-16-2008, 02:10 PM #9it's not about the haves preventing the have nots.
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02-16-2008, 02:55 PM #10Originally Posted by sparker1
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02-16-2008, 09:10 PM #11Originally Posted by stefan
Not necessarily. People enjoy land ownership for various reasons...very seldom of which are sinister. For example, how many people in your town have dogs? In Green River, I would guess that about 75% of the general populace has at least one dog. If all of those folks lived in an apartment, where would their dogs live? On the balcony? Americans have a love affair with their dogs. Some people treat their dogs better than their own kids.
Then there's the issue of privacy. It's difficult to get a good night's rest in an apartment when your neighbor's kids above you are jumping up and down, your neighbors to the right are playing the stereo at full volume, and your neighbors to the left are having wild passionate sex.It's only "science" if it supports the narrative.
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02-16-2008, 09:15 PM #12further we sprawl out,See you on the Trail
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02-16-2008, 09:55 PM #13Originally Posted by rockgremlin
People enjoy land ownership for various reasons...very seldom of which are sinister.
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02-16-2008, 10:00 PM #14Originally Posted by Scout Master
so tell me, if your children's children continue to live in the wasatch front, what would you like it to look like when the population triples?
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02-16-2008, 10:52 PM #15
What is the Alternative ?
See you on the Trail
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02-16-2008, 11:02 PM #16Originally Posted by stefan
We Americans do things somewhat backwards compared to the rest of the world. A penthouse apt downtown is the coveted mode of living in almost everywhere but the USA. Only the destitute and transient live on the open space at the edge of town.It's only "science" if it supports the narrative.
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02-16-2008, 11:19 PM #17Originally Posted by rockgremlin
and of course it's understandable why folks want their slice of heaven, but ...
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