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Thread: Granary Canyon?
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11-26-2007, 12:52 PM #21Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
But "NO".... most folks just haven't figure it out yet.... there are several canyon routes around Moab that will get the ol' pucker factor up dang high, which is what I think a lot of the hardcore type folks look for. And it's hard to find more pretty country anywhere, which is what I think a lot of the weekend warrior types look for.
And I also disagree with your reasoning on why many of the Moab routes are flying under the radar. I just don't think it's been hit hard yet in any type of "professional" manner. Curious to see what, if anything, comes out in Kelsey's next book. I know he has poked around in the area a little. And while I know Matt hate's to see "his" routes become popular, I'd say its pretty hard to argue they should be a private cash register when they are on public land.
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11-26-2007 12:52 PM # ADS
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11-26-2007, 01:08 PM #22Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
There are plenty of reasons why the Moab stuff doesn't get done a lot. Mainly, there just isn't a lot of really good canyons (whatever that means...) There might be some fun "routes" but I wouldn't call most of them slots.
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11-26-2007, 01:41 PM #23Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
Just want to know when I should start looking for my check in the mail.
Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
I know it's not your cup of tea, but a web page noting something like Big Horn gets about 100 times the hits as a web page listing some obscure hardcore canyon that only a relative few have the skills to do. In other words.... I attempt to cater my stuff to the majority and add the rest when the opportunity arises.
And I know how much you enjoy poking fun at things like my different swimming hole pages.... but they are some of my most popular attractions.
Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
All I can say is.... seek and you shall find.
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11-26-2007, 02:34 PM #24Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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11-26-2007, 02:37 PM #25
I do not live in moab , I live in Kaysville. I just go there several times a month in the good months for the past 15 years. I mainly jeep and mountain bike. But a few years ago went on a Scout outing to Zion and got hooked on this canyoneering gig.
As far as finding a route from Desert Highlights I can see both sides of the arguement. On oneside I look on Climb Utah and most of the ones that Desert Highlights list Shane list. Who had them first is neither here or there to me it's public land. If Desert Highlights wanted to sale the beta to the canyon like shane is doing by joining his website I would surely pay. I do not mind paying them for the info and I will have to probably go with them to learn about it but it's is alot more of an adventure going by yourself.
The same type of problem has come up with the Jeep Safari. The club has made arrangements with the BLM to keep people off the trails to cut down congestion when they are running them during the safari. Is this fair or not. They developed most of these trails over time and without the support of the jeep club fighting legal battles against the "fairy tree huggers" there would probably be alot of those trails closed. As far as making money the Charles Wells book (I think that's his name) has sold a ton of copies detailing the trails in moab, and did the jeep club get a cut for showing him around?
On this same topic I read somewhere that Zion Adventure had tied up some canyon around Zion for doing teaching and training. Is this on public land or Private? Anyone know anything about this?
On Shanes point on slots in moab, the beauty of moab is, not only can you canyoneer but you can also bike, jeep and stay in really nice motels with pools and resturants. My wife and kids like that part. Zion is absolutely awesome but doesn't cater nearly as well to the whole family like moab does. Im done rambling now.
Thanks
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11-26-2007, 03:23 PM #26Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
As for the rest.... YES, you are correct..... no good canyons around Moab, nothing to see there, nothing of interest, just move along please, no reason to stop or look....
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11-26-2007, 03:32 PM #27
Mark,
ZAC has permission to guide Oak Creek in Zion and the entire canyon is on private land. More info here:
http://climb-utah.com/Zion/oc-sf1.htm
As for Moab I hope to have additional routes up soon. More Moab is currently at the top of my to-do list as it is the most requested destination.
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11-27-2007, 11:46 AM #28Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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11-27-2007, 11:59 AM #29Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
I already told ta where Pleaides is....granted I haven't been through there yet, but I've been to it's head, and the descriptions all check out. I'm pretty sure the days of Pleaides' secrecy are numbered, and I'm pretty sure that number is less than 365.It's only "science" if it supports the narrative.
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11-27-2007, 12:05 PM #30Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
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11-27-2007, 12:13 PM #31Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Seriously though, what's the deal on Entrajo?
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11-27-2007, 12:15 PM #32Originally Posted by rockgremlin
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11-27-2007, 01:33 PM #33Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
Lot of times I get beta by chatting up a hiker/jeeper/climber/ranger and they will mention "I saw a guide with clients at X spot." Then I can usually figure it out. But also something to remember, Matt is not the only one guiding canyons in Moab, so just because I know a route is being guided doesn't mean it's one of Matt's.
And the guides do a descent job of trying to hide their routes.... A few years back on of the Moab guides was advertising "Cass Canyon" and it looked spectacular from the pictures..... took me a while to figure out it was the popular Black Hole.
Anyhoo... what I'm really saying is.... I might or might not have Entrajo. But I do not currently have the route with that name pinned to it.
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11-27-2007, 01:58 PM #34Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
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11-27-2007, 02:06 PM #35Originally Posted by Iceaxe
of course it's not terribly difficult to keep a website forever either. just dump all the files to disk. many lovely programs do this.
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11-27-2007, 02:44 PM #36
Gosh.... I'm trying to hold costs down so Carpey will blow the dust off his wallet and now he wants me to add more features????
I agree... The PDF's are sweet.... but making the routes into a PDF is a pain in the butt for me because every time I change a route I also have to change the PDF, and I'm always changing stuff. Dozens of small items get changed every month and only the major revisions get noted.
Several years ago I did redo the site to make it printer friendly and to strip out all the pictures. From your side it only requires the click of a button to print the route, and if you want to be really cool just send the page to your PDF print driver and you have what you desire.
I do know a lot of folks keep my site in a binder.... after the inital printing it's pretty simple to keep it reasonably current because I do list all major revisions. I've also toyed with the idea of making the site avaiable on CD, but really its just more hassle to me then its worth.
You guys sometimes forget the website is just a hobby to me. But I do appreciate the suggestions on improving the site.
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11-27-2007, 04:11 PM #37Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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