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Thread: Seeking Sandthrax Beta
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10-11-2007, 08:44 AM #1
Seeking Sandthrax Beta
Hey there,
On the same weekend that I'm bringing a bunch of folks out to the
North Wash area, a friend and I are planning on attempting Sandthrax
canyon. Was looking to see if anyone who has gone through it would
share any beta they thought was relevant and helpful.
Currently planning on going as light as possible, with a rim team for
emergency purposes (with radios; that I've been told may or may not
work. Whistles used as backup communication.) What I've been told is
that the highest rap is 30'. I was planning on bringing a 40' 8mm,
and a 50' 6mm pull. I was told the crux could be protected with a 5
and two 6 cams. Not wanting to carry that much weight/bulk, could we
afford some protection carrying a 3 and a 4 big brother instead?
Other recommendations?
Thanks!
A.J.
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10-11-2007 08:44 AM # ADS
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10-11-2007, 08:53 AM #2
Sandthrax Canyon
http://climb-utah.com/Powell/sandthrax.htm
This is the gear list from my Sandthrax Webpage....
In addition to your standard technical gear the following items are recommended for defeating the crux of the route. Two #5 camlots, two #6 camlots and one #4 Big Bro. This should allow you to climb or aid the crux. This is a minimum suggested rack.
Now blow the dust off your wallet and sign up.
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10-11-2007, 06:02 PM #3
Re: Seeking Sandthrax Beta
Originally Posted by AJnat smale
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10-13-2007, 07:51 PM #4
Thanks for the info Shane and Nat!
Shane, had your info from several friends, but thought it seemed overkill. (No offense.) Wanted to get the opinions of some that might have done it recently...
Nat, plan on free climbing it for as long as I feel comfortable. Won't know how far that is until I get there though.... ;)
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10-13-2007, 08:08 PM #5
With my suggested rack you should be able to aid the crux. So yeah.... it's over kill if you have the skill to climb it.
Also a "woodie" might be helpful and eliminate the body chokes I've seen some use. A woodie is just a 2"x2"x2'-0" wood dowel that you can wedge above the crux and use to anchor a rope.
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10-13-2007, 09:19 PM #6Originally Posted by Iceaxe
AJ, I did it with Nat.We used a #3 BigBro near the bottom, then cams above. I know a BB is nice if you need to end up using it as a foot hold... Not that I am guilty of that... Yeah right!
My limited experience with other off-width climbing in the desert is that you may be best off using a #6 or #5 and slide it up as you go above you. Placing, then passing gear in an off-width can be a huge pain.
Good luck on freeing it! No way I could free it back when we did it. I'd like to get back and give it a go now though, since I've been climbing more these days.Check out www.ajroadtrips.com
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10-14-2007, 10:20 AM #7Originally Posted by deserthiker
But ya.... I've done it.
Now I have a question for you Ryan..... do you ever do anything useful for the canyoneering community or do you just like to sit back and toss turd bombs? I know it just kills you that your not a major somebody. If you really want to be a somebody how about you do something useful or positive?
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10-14-2007, 10:40 AM #8Originally Posted by Iceaxe
I am insistent on knowing if information given is first hand or not, because once it is second hand, it looses quality quickly. I asked recently about Endless Eden (and got no response) because I would like to do it, but want to get information from someone who has done it first hand. (and know when they did it so I have an idea if the conditions are current or several years old, and at what lake level they did it)
I have had several experiences where someone gave me beta second hand from a friend, and it turned out wrong or incomplete. Is there an issue with saying whether your information is first hand or not?
I am trying to make sure if I am heading somewhere I have good info, or at least know it's not first hand so I can hunt down other sources.
Cheers.Check out www.ajroadtrips.com
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10-14-2007, 01:14 PM #9Originally Posted by deserthiker
Originally Posted by deserthiker
As for the rest I guess that's a personal hang up you'll have to deal with. I've received poor first hand beta and outstanding second hand beta. More important to me is who supplied the beta and any recommendations or comments that accompany the beta. But again, I guess that's a personal issue everyone must deal with in their own way. I suggest all beta be taken with a grain of salt.
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10-14-2007, 01:39 PM #10
Beta is a gift? Does that mean we get free CoF memberships now? Great news! Thanks Shane.
Gift: (noun)
1. something given voluntarily without payment in return, as to show favor toward someone, honor an occasion, or make a gesture of assistance; present.
2. the act of giving.
3. something bestowed or acquired without any particular effort by the recipient or without its being earned:
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10-14-2007, 04:59 PM #11
oh sh!t, i almost fell off my chair. i know it's out of context, but was a good laugh.
upon glancing at climb-utah i just noticed, shane, you've upped it to $30 per year. just exactly what guidebooks are you comparing to? probably should just scrap that phrase, no?
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10-14-2007, 05:49 PM #12Originally Posted by Iceaxe
http://uutah.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6311#6311
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10-14-2007, 07:02 PM #13
So I am confused now I'm not trying to be a prick, I promise this is just and honest question. I just looked at that list Stefan posted, remembering reading it in 2005 and oooh'ing and ahhh'ing at all the canyons Shane listed that I hadn't heard of. Thought it would be fun to read it again and see how many I now know about and have done... but I scratched my head when I read that Shane listed Tierdrop? In Feb. of 2007 I went with Shane and a bunch of uutah'ers to go looking for Tierdrop. You had received a tip as to where you thought it was and we wandered around along the top of the mesa for a while searching for what we had seen in photos and a possible anchor. We finally found it and you soon put it on your site... so if you did it in 2005 why did you not know where it was in 2007? Is there a different Tierdrop Canyon you did in 2005 that I don't know about? Just curious
Eric
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10-14-2007, 07:21 PM #14Originally Posted by stefan
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10-14-2007, 08:39 PM #15Originally Posted by shaggy125
shane should answer of course.
... but i have noticed that the photo he posted on that page (called tierdrop) is what desert highlights refers to as krill canyon.
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10-14-2007, 09:00 PM #16
Shaggy, when I did Teirdrop with you it was the first time I had ever done the route.... the confusion comes from a route known as Krill (aka: Blimp Hanger). For a long time we thought Krill was Teirdrop and called it such.
I believe I pointed out Krill to you during our trip, it's near Lomation.
As for the rest of you retards..... the best gifts cost
The stuff I post here is a freebie
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10-14-2007, 09:07 PM #17Originally Posted by CarpeyBiggs
Once you join the dark side we don't want ya jumping ship.
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10-14-2007, 09:08 PM #18
Ahhh... ok, was that the one you called "Belly of the Whale," something like that? Marc wanted to do it but you said Lomation was better? Makes sense now. Thanks.
Eric.
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10-14-2007, 09:11 PM #19Originally Posted by Iceaxe
I am curious about Eden though. Why you giving that one away out of the kindness of your heart? That would make a nice addition to your little website, yet you threw that beta around ever so casually. Perhaps even worth the $5 increase in annual cost...
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10-14-2007, 09:12 PM #20Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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