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Thread: Knotted Rope Death
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07-18-2007, 08:35 AM #41Originally Posted by bruce from bryce
Also... one guys noob is anthers pro.....
And things change a lot over time. Just imagine what my comments for Bruce would be if I based them only on my one experience, two years ago, when he was doing his first tech canyon? I'm not picking on Bruce, just making a point since he brought it up.
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07-18-2007 08:35 AM # ADS
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07-18-2007, 12:03 PM #42
A few more details....
Knoted Rope Canyon
By Myrna Trauntvein
Times-News Correspondent
A couple from Mona, missing since Saturday night, were found at noon on Monday, however, the outcome was not happy.
The couple was spending the weekend in the San Rafael Swell, but a falling accident while hiking claimed the life of Marie Coray, 58, who broke her arm while rappelling and got caught in a pool of water.
Kimo and Marie Coray, both middle-aged, were experienced outdoor fans and had been on many camping, hiking and climbing excursions.
Kimo Coray, who is the owner of Kimo
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07-18-2007, 12:20 PM #43
Perhaps a bit off topic, but did anyone else recognize that most of that article is plagiarized? It is regurgitated from other news outlets... And, the picture they used is from Tom's webpage.... I guess it is Nephi, probably not a lot of staff at that paper.
One source of quotes: http://stage-v2.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1491261
Tom's picture:from his webpage.
[quote]This is the San Rafael Swell
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07-18-2007, 12:39 PM #44
I guess it's only fair they steal pictures from Tom's website since that was the route description the couple was using.....
At least I assume that it was Tom's. I asked SAR if it was mine and was told it was the "other website".
One good point was it appears the couple did use a check in person, check in time and left them with a route description. Since the husband became disoriented and lost this might have saved his life. So I guess that's at least three things they did right. That puts the couple about 10 points up the smart and experienced ladder over some groups.
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07-18-2007, 12:43 PM #45
super sad
all my condolences to the guy,
but the below make me either more sad
damn if my parents or somebody i care is not returning home as suppose to i will not wait 1 day and a half to call for a rescue.
that remind again the importance of telling somebody where you plan to be and when you are suppose to be back.
sad sad and more sad
[quote=Iceaxe]A few more details....
The search began early Sunday after the call was received from the Coray
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07-18-2007, 01:41 PM #46Originally Posted by hesse15
I often fudge some of the other "rules" (going solo, not ALWAYS wearing a helmet, etc..), but I go out of my way to do the check-ins. Often driving an hour or more from remote locations to do them. They are a simple way to insure you at least have help coming at some point.
I think there would be nothing worse than being stuck somewhere with no hope that anyone knows where you are at. (ala Aaron Ralstone)Check out www.ajroadtrips.com
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07-18-2007, 01:55 PM #47
I haven't had much experience with canyoneering yet, but with rafting I usually calculate what time I get off a river, then add an hour to pack and get to the cell reception to make a call to my wife. Then I leave all the emergency numbers for her and all the information she'd need to track me (Permit number, river name, put in/take out, etc). Iff I don't make a call by a specific time, I tell her to call SAR. Luckily, that hasn't happened yet, I did come very close once though.... by about 3 minutes she told me.
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07-18-2007, 01:58 PM #48
Hey I just got an idea, what if we make a forum here for the Check In/Out to use for our members and to help each other. Since most of us know how to contact SAR and get help and explain what/where the excursion is taking place better than family members, it might just work out.
I am thinking of a format such as a single post with the following info:
Name:
Cell phone number:
Group Size:
Destination:
Start date/time:
Scheduled finish date/time:
Emergency family contact:
Local SAR contact:
Any thoughts/flames?
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07-18-2007, 02:11 PM #49Originally Posted by AlexIt's only "science" if it supports the narrative.
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07-18-2007, 02:17 PM #50
Alex that will be a nice idea, but from personal experience lately , i do not think put personal information and phone number on the internet is a safe way to do, beside most of us know each other in person, and we overall are nice people , you never know who else is gotting these numbers.
i have now some people numbers that i can call in case of an emergency and they can help getting the SAR to the right place.
so we can do the same you suggest , but just keeping off public view and sending email to each other.
by the way the day i sent the email to deserthiker: IN CASE I DIE... with 2 numbers of salt lake people that are italian/english speakers and 10 phone number of how to reach my parents or my brother oversea , he was a little perplex .
but i still think is better to have these ready just in case , you know if i got struck by a lightening...
Originally Posted by Alex
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07-18-2007, 02:17 PM #51Originally Posted by Alex
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07-18-2007, 02:19 PM #52Originally Posted by rockgremlin
although i do agree w/ what your saying Justin (i too hate webcasting when i'll be gone and leaving the wife home alone) perhaps we should get a smaller "members" group list
include only those who we've done routes w/ etc... keep it on the Down low or off the general web.
i'm backing the idea, as it would be nice to have for my wife in the event that i do something stupid or otherwise...
i have to admit Ryan, a "Deserthiker rescue" would definately trump a red tail hawk any day. we'd deninately get some milage out ot that one
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07-18-2007, 02:43 PM #53Originally Posted by marc olivares
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07-18-2007, 04:24 PM #54
Snatch, pretty brilliant--I am not SAR so please refrain from jumping all over my ass, but what about this modification...the person being rescued then can lean into the wall and not use the broken arm...
the rescuer can tie off two strands of rope off his harness carabiner--tie a loop in each end and lower the two ends into the pothole forming an upside down V. The rescuee can slip a foot into each loop. The rescuer ties two prussiks onto harness belay loop. As the rescuee steps in one loop and weights it, the rescuer can slowly pull up the other end/loop a little, say two feet and adjust the prussik. The rescuee then weights the other side and steps up, the prussik tightens and they readjut the other end/loop in the same manner thus crawling up the rope until a hand pull can top them out.
Adrian
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07-18-2007, 10:03 PM #55
Nothing like field testing...
Originally Posted by adrians
Tom
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07-18-2007, 11:04 PM #56Originally Posted by Alex
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07-19-2007, 04:18 AM #57Originally Posted by hank moon
But I see how some folks wouldn't want their private info to be out there. I guess we can rely back on the old ways of notifying the family members.
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07-19-2007, 07:20 AM #58
Re: Canyon Rescue?
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
Hmmmm?! Lot seems to depend on the "gear" available?
Piggyback a haul system (Fashioned from the "Purcell Prusik System" I always carry through a canyon) or build a system out of the rope being used to descend?
Descend on anchored rope...prusik high...2:1 system...hoist her "counterbalance" on the 2:1 with a change of direction with a capture "ratchet" prusik on her harness.....reset the "high" prusik and start again? 2:1 not cutting it? Too much friction? 4:1 with change of direction maybe?
Carabiners have about a 60-65% effeciency, so any haul system built is better served using minimal carabiners as "Pulleys".
Most effecient use would be a compound 9:1 using 4 carabiners (about a 5.4 MA effeciency) and hauling from up top. This system would require 3 prusiks and 4 carabiners. Again the purcell prusik system would supply all the material necessary to build the system minus 3 carabiners. Granted...if there is little working space up top...there may be many resets, but if it saves a life..who cares!
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07-19-2007, 07:31 AM #59
Re: Canyon Rescue?
Originally Posted by Bo_Beck
Knotted Rope is not a canyon that requires much gear in normal conditions. Highly skilled canyoneers can even do the canyon without gear.....
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07-19-2007, 07:36 AM #60
Re: Canyon Rescue?
Originally Posted by Iceaxe
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