birch 6-5-07

[oldno7]

I gotta say thanks to Alex,it's no secret my wife and I are new to canyoneering and we needed someone to walk us through the paces.

This is our first canyon and we're both ready for more.

and I can now tie a fairly mean munter and mule.
as well as the wife.

[Jaxx]

I gotta say thanks to Alex,it's no secret my wife and I are new to canyoneering and we needed someone to walk us through the paces.

This is our first canyon and we're both ready for more.

and I can now tie a fairly mean munter and mule.
as well as the wife.

I am also new to the sport. What did you use the munter for. What was your setup?

Did you not have ATC's or a figure 8?

[oldno7]

I gotta say thanks to Alex,it's no secret my wife and I are new to canyoneering and we needed someone to walk us through the paces.

This is our first canyon and we're both ready for more.

and I can now tie a fairly mean munter and mule.
as well as the wife.

I am also new to the sport. What did you use the munter for. What was your setup?

Did you not have ATC's or a figure 8?

We used the munter to lower our first person to establish a rope length with a bottom not visible.
After setting length a mule was tied into the munter to lock it off,next person rapelled single strand on a figure 8 with a beaner helping add friction.
last person released the munter-mule blocked the rope with a beaner,rapelled and we pulled ropes.

We also practiced tying off a figure 8 mid rap,last person up released the mule and lowered tyed off person.

Was all good and then some

[hesse15]

so basically you went to birch (that is a quiet friendly place) that has clean short nice drops
but is also the perfect place to practic rscue and little ropes tricks
you do not really need there but better practice them before you are in need
i really like the lock of of the 8
so you can use that in case somebody get stuck in middle rappel with hair trapped or a t-shirt.
unlikely after certain times you never do the mule unless you know you will need (ES WATERFALL CANYON)
will be also nice to practice do the same with a normal setting , so how to take out the weight from the biner block and be able to set that rigging for the person
i love go down on single also because allow to have for sure enough rope and in case of emergency you can use the other end to reach a person that is stuck
good job in practicing all of that
the guy that took you there must be a safety oriented one .

We used the munter to lower our first person to establish a rope length with a bottom not visible.
After setting length a mule was tied into the munter to lock it off,next person rapelled single strand on a figure 8 with a beaner helping add friction.
last person released the munter-mule blocked the rope with a beaner,rapelled and we pulled ropes.

We also practiced tying off a figure 8 mid rap,last person up released the mule and lowered tyed off person.

Was all good and then some

[Jaxx]

We used the munter to lower our first person to establish a rope length with a bottom not visible.
After setting length a mule was tied into the munter to lock it off,next person rapelled single strand on a figure 8 with a beaner helping add friction.
last person released the munter-mule blocked the rope with a beaner,rapelled and we pulled ropes.

We also practiced tying off a figure 8 mid rap,last person up released the mule and lowered tyed off person.

Was all good and then some

oh cool. It's always awesome learning new stuff.

[tanya]

more coming,I'm just slow

I LOVE it!!!!!

[tanya]

One of my favorite canyons in Zion.

Even better since it's right outside and no permits are needed. One of my favorite too!

[Wasatch]

One of my favorite canyons in Zion.

Even better since it's right outside and no permits are needed. One of my favorite too!

Just don't go out/up Wild Wind Hollow.

[oldno7]

One of my favorite canyons in Zion.

Even better since it's right outside and no permits are needed. One of my favorite too!

Just don't go out/up Wild Wind Hollow.

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad

[tanya]

One of my favorite canyons in Zion.

Even better since it's right outside and no permits are needed. One of my favorite too!

Just don't go out/up Wild Wind Hollow.

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad

I am a fan of shuttles too. ... but then we just always have 2 vehicles.

[smcqueen]

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad

Bottom? Bottom of what?

[tanya]

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad

Bottom? Bottom of what?

I just assumed the exit that stays out of the park.... As in not going through Orderville to the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-birch-hollow.htm
Bottom Right on this page

[smcqueen]

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad

Bottom? Bottom of what?

I just assumed the exit that stays out of the park.... As in not going through Orderville to the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-birch-hollow.htm
Bottom Right on this page

Oh, the "Up Orderville Exit." I'll have to try that sometime. I've exited Birch Hollow up Wild Wind Hollow
and down Orderville but not up Orderville yet.

[tanya]

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad

Bottom? Bottom of what?

I just assumed the exit that stays out of the park.... As in not going through Orderville to the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-birch-hollow.htm
Bottom Right on this page

Oh, the "Up Orderville Exit." I'll have to try that sometime. I've exited Birch Hollow up Wild Wind Hollow
and down Orderville but not up Orderville yet.

I have heard some whispers of something called Wild Wind Hollow and it usually has that along with it.

I think Bo mentioned that when we did it, but it just seemed so easy to set up 2 vehicles and exit the way we did.

[smcqueen]

I have heard some whispers of something called Wild Wind Hollow and it usually has that along with it.

I think Bo mentioned that when we did it, but it just seemed so easy to set up 2 vehicles and exit the way we did.

I can well imagine that would be easier. Exiting down Orderville, even though making for a long day, is easier than Wild Wind and also has the virtue of being a very scenic route, whereas Wild Wind Hollow looks more like a trip through Mordor--except that you would be grateful for the Nazgul to come along and fly you out! I can even imagine it would be easier to leave fixed ropes and do Birch Hollow "caver style" than to exit Wild Wind Hollow!

Did I mention that I really dislike the Wild Wind Hollow exit?

[Wasatch]

yea Shane mentions that route: I believe in shuttles--call me lazy
the road down to the bottom isn't that bad

Bottom? Bottom of what?

I just assumed the exit that stays out of the park.... As in not going through Orderville to the Narrows.

http://www.zionnational-park.com/zion-birch-hollow.htm
Bottom Right on this page

Oh, the "Up Orderville Exit." I'll have to try that sometime. I've exited Birch Hollow up Wild Wind Hollow
and down Orderville but not up Orderville yet.

Yeah, up Orderville to the corral. Then the road to the trailhead of Birch Hollow. That's still a nice haul in 100+ degree weather.

[Iceaxe]

Gosh.... Wild Wind Hollow is just like the noob version of the MIA. If you like Wild Wind you'll love the MIA.

[smcqueen]

Gosh.... Wild Wind Hollow is just like the noob version of the MIA. If you like Wild Wind you'll love the MIA.

Yeah, thanks. I haven't tried any of canyons that use the MIA exit yet. After bivying in Wild Wind, I'm really looking forward to MIA.

[oldno7]

the end of the road in orderville (Turnaround)is approx. 1 mile from where birch dumps into orderville, just past(Upstream)from where you went up wild wind is 1 hill the rest is flat streambed.

[tanya]

Gosh.... Wild Wind Hollow is just like the noob version of the MIA. If you like Wild Wind you'll love the MIA.

Yeah, thanks. I haven't tried any of canyons that use the MIA exit yet. After bivying in Wild Wind, I'm really looking forward to MIA.

MIA! Bo and I loved it! It was our escape from the Mountain Lion hanging out in Kolob.

You have to tell us your bivy story!