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04-19-2007, 07:54 AM #1
Growing Prison Population
Lawmaker Addresses Issue of Growing Prison Population
April 19th, 2007 @ 6:50am
Gene Kennedy Reporting
It's always popular to be tough on crime. But that attitude is having a damaging effect on the state of Utah, according to one Utah lawmaker.
The Legislature has boosted several misdemeanor offenses to felonies. Other penalties are tacked on to certain offenses.
Representative Kay McIff from Richfield has told lawmakers it's only adding to an increased prison population.
McIff is a former judge. He says lawmakers need to take a hard look at this issue. He spoke to a legislative committee yesterday.
One of the examples he cited is "drug-free zones." That's where there's an additional penalty if someone deals drugs near a church or school. McIff says it's a good concept, but the zones have been expanded so much that they include huge portions of communities, and therefore are not a deterrent.
In today's Deseret Morning News, he's quoted as saying, "The great temptation in cases when something goes amiss (is) we simply ratchet up the penalty because we're offended by it."
Jack Ford, spokesperson for the Department of Corrections, says Utah has one of the lowest incarceration rates in the country. He says a lot of offenders get probation.
Still, prison growth is definitely an issue. It will be interesting to see if the legislature takes on this issue in the next session.
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04-19-2007 07:54 AM # ADS
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04-19-2007, 08:17 AM #2It's always popular to be tough on crime. But that attitude is having a damaging effect on the state of Utah, according to one Utah lawmaker.
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04-19-2007, 08:29 AM #3Originally Posted by jumar
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04-19-2007, 08:42 AM #4
thats why we need capital punishment. No jails needed. child molester gets penis cut off, same with rape. pot smoking gets a finger cut off. DUI gets hand cut off. robbery same as dui, etc. There would be no need for a jail cell. Its not perfect but a work in progress, no worse of an idea than what this judge from Richfield is going for. Why would he want drug free zones to be smaller? I say we need to make them bigger.
The man thong is wrong.
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04-19-2007, 08:44 AM #5Originally Posted by Jaxx
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04-19-2007, 08:47 AM #6Originally Posted by Summit42
Except the drug free zone stuff. Why would he want to be more lenient on people dealing drugs by schools? Oh, and child molesters should get there penis cut off, I hate them.The man thong is wrong.
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04-19-2007, 08:52 AM #7Would you rather have a pot smoking hippie in jail or a child molester?
I don't know what the solution over crowding in prisons, but going soft on people that break the law I don't think is going to help.
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04-19-2007, 09:02 AM #8Originally Posted by jumar
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04-19-2007, 09:14 AM #9Originally Posted by Summit42
They also get neglected because the parents are getting high and leaving the children in playpens or locked in a room, or given to a druggy friend to babysit. I am 100% against pot and all other drugs because I have seen what it does to these poor children who have no choice about if their parents smoke pot, but they are directly affected by it.
It pisses me off when people say "someone else smoking pot doesn't affect me in any way." A murder in California probably doesn't affect you so should that be ok to do? Someone somewhere is being affected by pot smoking assholes. And who pays for the children in foster care/on medicade? Me and you.The man thong is wrong.
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04-19-2007, 09:20 AM #10For the most part I agree but I don't think we should have to punish the hippie for hurting himself. Not that we should legalize all drugs but if someone wants to smoke some weed let them, how does it hurt me?
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04-19-2007, 09:33 AM #11Originally Posted by jumar
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04-19-2007, 09:39 AM #12Originally Posted by Jaxx
It pisses me off when people say "someone else smoking pot doesn't affect me in any way."
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04-19-2007, 09:51 AM #13
I have a few friends that had parents that smoked pot, they are very successful and make lots of money have great family's and love there life. There are so many people who smoke pot that you would never ever think did. I would be willing to bet that alcohol is far worse on family's than pot is but I don't hear anybody saying would should ban it.
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04-19-2007, 09:58 AM #14Originally Posted by Summit42
Originally Posted by Summit42The man thong is wrong.
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04-19-2007, 10:02 AM #15Originally Posted by Jaxx
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04-19-2007, 10:14 AM #16Originally Posted by Summit42
The problem with pot, and alcohol, is that some people make the wrong decisions while high/drunk. I think people could be responsible with pot, just like people that drink can be, Its when stupid people get high or drunk they do even stupider things. I suppose there needs to be a middle ground, and mabey comparing pot and alcohol is a bit extreme, since you can drink without getting drunk, but I agree with Jumar its against the law, we have to enforce it.
Back on topic. Won't jails have to grow with population? Seems like the more people you have in civilization the more are going to end up in jail, right? The judge from Richfield is saying that the drug free zone is too big. I have family in Richfield and I imagine that the same size drug zone takes up alot of the city compared to a city like SLC where it is just a blip.The man thong is wrong.
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04-19-2007, 10:20 AM #17Originally Posted by Summit42The man thong is wrong.
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04-19-2007, 11:16 AM #18Originally Posted by Jaxx
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04-19-2007, 11:54 AM #19
It seems like the Government has the only choice to be made, but we always forget that it's the criminal who makes the first decision to commit the crime.
With softer sentences, crime is more appealing. Murder is not that big of deal anymore if you can get out in 6 years.
Every time you see an "Investigative Report" that says the sentence received, you hardly learn of the time that was actually served because it is much, much less than the sentence.
Criminals know this. The consequences of getting caught are worth the risk now.
Harder sentences do not always mean more time served. If this is the only option, our system is broken.
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04-19-2007, 12:10 PM #20
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