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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Coyote

    I think killing an animal just for the kill (sport) is wrong compared to the killing of an animal for food (hunting). Sport killing gives hunting a bad name.
    Okay,

    I hear this all the time from non-hunters, and it really gets on my nerves. No one, and I mean no one in the United States of America needs to hunt for food. It's just not even close to a necessity. And if you eat the animal you hunted, that doesn't make it any different. You didn't need to kill the animal. Eat a hamburger. Eat soybeans for hells sake.

    Hunting in this day and age is a sport. That's it. It costs you more to get your meat processed than it would to go buy hamburger.

    All that being said . . . I support hunting. I think it's fun, and necessary. Eco-balance can certainly be acheived through hunting. Wolves, Elk, Buffalo, Turtles, Treehuggers, whatever. If there are too many of them, start handing out tags.

    (someone is going to come back with "well, i think there are too many of you(price) or humans." Well, if you really think so, go get a tag. I might be better at defending myself than your average whitetail.)

    As far as shooting bald eagles - If there are too many in an ecosystem, or they are where they don't belong, start handing out tags.
    It's my job to call the BS around here. Get over it.

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  3. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by price1869
    As far as shooting bald eagles - If there are too many in an ecosystem, or they are where they don't belong, start handing out tags.
    Ditto. This is the non-emotional fact of how the Fish & Game systems work. If there are too many Bald Eagles around, making all of the field mice become extinct & chasing off the other birds, then something will be done about it.

    Those of you defending this breed of wolf; Can you tell me how many are needed to balance the ecosystem? No, you can't. You can only complain that killing them is wrong, unless it's for food.

    Who has gone hunting for hunger? We blasted the HELL outta them rabbits last month, and didn't ever consider eating them.

  4. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by price1869
    Okay,

    I hear this all the time from non-hunters, and it really gets on my nerves. No one, and I mean no one in the United States of America needs to hunt for food. It's just not even close to a necessity. And if you eat the animal you hunted, that doesn't make it any different. You didn't need to kill the animal. Eat a hamburger. Eat soybeans for hells sake.
    Price, you make some astoundingly ignorant statements here. Maybe it's because you're an urbanite, or among only well-heeled people, but you obviously have no clue whatsoever as to the number of people out there who hunt to feed themselves -- people outside your insulated little world.

    First off, I am not a non-hunter as you so glibly imply. Second, I know two people right now -- very good friends -- who keep their bellies full in part by hunting and fishing. Maybe you'd rather see them on food stamps, but they don't swing that way. They hunt and fish to stay fed because they're living so close to the bone that that is the way they survive.

    Also, they are not suburban yuppies who take their game to a friggin' processor. I help one of these guys butcher deer every time he gets one. We hang out by a campfire all day getting good and bloody, usually with Neil Young tapes playing and a big honking pot of coffee on the fire. A lot of people in the U.S. South get by this way (some with Neil, some with Skynyrd). Your insinuating that no one needs to hunt comes from absolute blind ignorance.

    As to the sense I get that you just hunt because you like the killing, I can only suggest you need to get laid more. And watch out tracking those "tree-huggers" -- a lot of them are real well armed.

  5. #24
    P.S. I moved this to the Hunting forum.

  6. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Sombeech
    P.S. I moved this to the Hunting forum.
    Don't you mean the political BS forum?

    and Coyote, key word "necessity". Read again.

    Ha ha . . urbanite. Urbanites are the ones that think people actually have to hunt and fish to survive. Farmers, ranchers and the educated are the ones who understand supply, demand, etc.

    In general, the hours spent hunting could easily be turned into hours spent working, and therefor, no need for killing little creatures. Seems you enjoy proving me wrong though, so your turn . . .
    It's my job to call the BS around here. Get over it.

  7. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Coyote
    Quote Originally Posted by price1869

    Price, you make some astoundingly ignorant statements here. Maybe it's because you're an urbanite, or among only well-heeled people, but you obviously have no clue whatsoever as to the number of people out there who hunt to feed themselves -- people outside your insulated little world.


    Your insinuating that no one needs to hunt comes from absolute blind ignorance.
    ignorantz? Learn to spell. Insult my intelligence without knowing anything about me? That's what ignorant people do.
    It's my job to call the BS around here. Get over it.

  8. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Coyote
    I help one of these guys butcher deer every time he gets one. We hang out by a campfire all day getting good and bloody, usually with Neil Young tapes playing and a big honking pot of coffee on the fire. A lot of people in the U.S. South get by this way (some with Neil, some with Skynyrd). Your insinuating that no one needs to hunt comes from absolute blind ignorance.

    As to the sense I get that you just hunt because you like the killing, I can only suggest you need to get laid more. And watch out tracking those "tree-huggers" -- a lot of them are real well armed.
    So this guy that you help butcher deer - he'll spend all his money on a truck, camper, gas and beer (you know you're not out there drinking coffee) to justify acquiring food for his family?

    And here I thought that the stereotypes about the south were wrong. Where is that banjo music coming from?

  9. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by shlingdawg
    So this guy that you help butcher deer - he'll spend all his money on a truck, camper, gas and beer (you know you're not out there drinking coffee) to justify acquiring food for his family?

    And here I thought that the stereotypes about the south were wrong. Where is that banjo music coming from?
    Actually, he hunts on his land. He's got about 15 acres of deep swampy woodland where he's able to get a couple deer a year -- as many as he needs. So all he does is go out real early and sit on the ground against a tree. The deer sometimes walk right up to him. Then blammo. No truck, no camper. Just an old 50 cal. black powder rifle. One shot.

    The "sportsmen" drive in from city and suburb in high dollar pickups with ATVs, dogs with radio collars, nice Browning shotguns and line up along the damn roads with walkie-talkies. Sportsmen. They usually take more than they need, get stupid drunk, then haul whatever they don't leave in the field to the processor because they're too lazy to butcher.

    There's a special disdain those of us who live in the country learn regarding the weekend warrior and the wannabe redneck. I've seen 'em. They ain't hunters.

    As far as beer while butchering, we usually do that stuff early in the morning after the deer hangs all night. Too early. Plus, drunkie and choppie don't mix.

    But we both play in a bluegrass band, so you got me there!

  10. #29
    I still want to hear about this deal w/ the wolves. Why are you such an opponent of killing some of them?

  11. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by shlingdawg
    I still want to hear about this deal w/ the wolves. Why are you such an opponent of killing some of them?
    I oppose extermination mentality.

    I refer back to natural balance. We've followed an extermination policy regarding certain predators in this country, mostly to protect livestock. You ask about this stuff, and I wonder if you're at all familiar with the term "biodiversity." Kill a few wolves or coyotes because they threaten your welfare cattle, maybe I can understand -- but an all-out extermination policy is just stupid. That's why I take Idaho's chest-thumping cretin governor to task.

    Just look at how modern forest management has gone terribly wrong with monoculture and with agressive fire supression. We now have unhealthy, unnatural woodlands prone to insect and disease. We did the forests no good at all "protecting" them from their natural enemies (strange term there, but we'll go with it).

    The sport killing of wolves I object to based on moral precept -- because it is depraved to kill for killing's sake. Ask any criminal psychologist about this one -- about the kid who shoots songbirds with his Red Ryder and how he'll turn out.

    I asked you about the eagle because I knew your response would be emotional. And there's a lot of folks out there feel emotional about wolves because they (like eagles) are beautiful creatures that represent freedom, independence, and strength. That's the emotional part for me, but I think deer are pretty too. But I'll eat a deer.

    Call my a hypocrite if you want, but my arguments regarding the biodiversity angle are sound and well-known.

    Ever hear the buffalo theory regarding beer and brain cells...?

    Well, back to work. Have a good day up in Yankeeland!

  12. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Coyote
    I oppose extermination mentality.

    I refer back to natural balance.
    If it were extermination, I may have a problem as well. But, once again, how many wolves does it take to maintain that balance?

    I admit that I do not know the answer, but I'd assume that if you're against reducing the pack numbers, that you would know.

  13. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Sombeech
    If it were extermination, I may have a problem as well. But, once again, how many wolves does it take to maintain that balance?

    I admit that I do not know the answer, but I'd assume that if you're against reducing the pack numbers, that you would know.

    If you're FOR reducing pack numbers, you should know as well...

    Fact remains, we've killed enough wolves in this country to push them into threatened and endangered status. We have NO wolves, NO cougars, and just a few coyotes in Virginia and used to have lots (back in the old days). Now, deer populations are out of control.

    Of course, so is the human population, but that's another story.

    Is "vulpaphobe" a word...?

  14. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Coyote
    Quote Originally Posted by Sombeech
    If it were extermination, I may have a problem as well. But, once again, how many wolves does it take to maintain that balance?

    I admit that I do not know the answer, but I'd assume that if you're against reducing the pack numbers, that you would know.
    If you're FOR reducing pack numbers, you should know as well...
    I'm not taking any action, so I do not have the burden of proof. When the Gov made the call, he was informed of the balanced number.

    Nobody in the opposition has stated otherwise. I would expect them to PROVE him wrong.

  15. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Sombeech
    I'm not taking any action, so I do not have the burden of proof. When the Gov made the call, he was informed of the balanced number.

    Nobody in the opposition has stated otherwise. I would expect them to PROVE him wrong.

    What disturbed me about the governor was his senseless wannabe-redneck bravado. His plan is to exterminate as many wolves as possible until the population reaches a level just above endangered status. Killing for killing's sake. Depravity.

    Bet he started off with ants and a magnifying glass.

    HEY! There's a picture on the banner of you at Brigham's Unit! I was just there. Quite a stone boner.

  16. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Coyote
    HEY! There's a picture on the banner of you at Brigham's Unit! I was just there. Quite a stone boner.
    What's Brigham's Unit?

  17. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Sombeech
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Coyote
    HEY! There's a picture on the banner of you at Brigham's Unit! I was just there. Quite a stone boner.
    What's Brigham's Unit?
    It's the rock at Arches that looks like a big old Johnson. That is you in that picture, right? On the rotating banner top of page?

    That's the name I've heard applied to the rock. Is there another? The NPS doesn't put up a sign, interpretive trail, or anything. Sorry bastards!

  18. #37
    Sombeech wrote:
    Rev. Coyote wrote:
    HEY! There's a picture on the banner of you at Brigham's Unit! I was just there. Quite a stone boner.


    What's Brigham's Unit?


    It's the rock at Arches that looks like a big old Johnson. That is you in that picture, right? On the rotating banner top of page?

    That's the name I've heard applied to the rock. Is there another? The NPS doesn't put up a sign, interpretive trail, or anything. Sorry bastards
    Everyone I know just called it .................. Penis Rock

  19. #38
    The tentative plan, or speculative plan for Wyoming is that there will be areas opened up to treat wolves as any other non-game predator. No license will be required to shoot a wolf if this legislation is passed. IF (or when) it passes, I will be joining my brother who lives in the area and I will try to bag a few. My reasons? Perhaps I am killing for killing sake, but I will also pay to have the entire animal taxidermied. I'm sure there are many wannabe hunters who would pay to have a full wolf mount in their cabin so they can impress their buddies and make them believe that they, themselves, killed the creature. Economics. I simply don't possess the same emotions as you regarding the wolf. No, I'm not a dog lover either. Or a cat lover. I shoot jackrabbits by the dozens for pure diversion. I shoot coyotes and praire dogs as well, just for fun. I don't shoot big game as it does nothing for me. I'll eat elk if it's prepared well. I also flyfish for fun and eat less than 1% of what I catch, but I do return everything back so I can catch it again. If I'm I catch a trashfish (carp) I'll throw it on the bank and watch it die.

    I also enjoy air polluting snowmobiles, ORV's and many other eco-unfriendly activities. Conversely, I do enjoy backpacking, hiking and other tree-hugger, kumbahyaaaa circle jerk moments too.

    I don't fault Idaho governor, but maybe I'll join him.

  20. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by shlingdawg
    The tentative plan, or speculative plan for Wyoming is that there will be areas opened up to treat wolves as any other non-game predator. No license will be required to shoot a wolf if this legislation is passed. IF (or when) it passes, I will be joining my brother who lives in the area and I will try to bag a few. My reasons? Perhaps I am killing for killing sake, but I will also pay to have the entire animal taxidermied. I'm sure there are many wannabe hunters who would pay to have a full wolf mount in their cabin so they can impress their buddies and make them believe that they, themselves, killed the creature. Economics. I simply don't possess the same emotions as you regarding the wolf. No, I'm not a dog lover either. Or a cat lover. I shoot jackrabbits by the dozens for pure diversion. I shoot coyotes and praire dogs as well, just for fun. I don't shoot big game as it does nothing for me. I'll eat elk if it's prepared well. I also flyfish for fun and eat less than 1% of what I catch, but I do return everything back so I can catch it again. If I'm I catch a trashfish (carp) I'll throw it on the bank and watch it die.

    I also enjoy air polluting snowmobiles, ORV's and many other eco-unfriendly activities. Conversely, I do enjoy backpacking, hiking and other tree-hugger, kumbahyaaaa circle jerk moments too. But not very often.

    I don't fault Idaho governor, but maybe I'll join him. :2thumbs:

    Spoken like a real man. Pathetic.

  21. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. Coyote


    Spoken like a real man. Pathetic.
    Careful those blinders don't fall down and make you blind. How many times has name calling won a disagreement for you?

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