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12-06-2006, 10:10 PM #1
Positive CCP Story
Looks like he had a Kel-Tec (+1 for Udink)
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=705091Let's Roll
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12-06-2006 10:10 PM # ADS
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12-06-2006, 10:35 PM #2
Re: Positive CCP Story
Originally Posted by Glockguy
I had a little incident myself a couple of weeks ago. I fired a round into the ground to scare some guy off who was trying to break into my truck. I was hiking and the truck was about 0.4 miles away, and some crazy-ass transient thought that me being that far away was a good enough reason to try to steal it. After I fired the round to let him know that I was coming and that I was armed, he slashed two of my tires and cut holes in both cans of fuel that were in the back of the truck, then took off up into the mountains. I shudder to think what the confrontation would have been like if I hadn't been armed, like maybe he would have stuck that knife in me instead of running away.
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12-07-2006, 12:12 AM #3
Nice to see a positive story, the reason for a CCP in the first place, to get some media coverage.
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12-07-2006, 07:12 AM #4DickHeadGuestOriginally Posted by basilone0331
Maura Carabello, with the Gun Violence Prevention Center, believes Utah's permit laws are lax.
Maura Carabello, Gun Violence Prevention Center of Utah: "They could injure themselves, often not well equipped psychologically; they often don't know how to shoot or handle a weapon with proficiency."
She says what happened to Taylor is the best possible outcome, but not always the norm.
Maura Carabello: "My reaction in general, though, is we are lucky. We are lucky the permit holder is safe."
Don't talk to me about luck....
PS:
I have a kel-tec P3AT
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12-07-2006, 07:30 AM #5
I'm thinking I'll get a kel-tec after reading everyone's recommendations here. My Glock is a bit harder to conceal. LOL
I was just reading that. Good to see stories like this. There's so many of these cases that don't get reported.
"The police have their hands full with everything and I don't think they could be every place at once."
I knew of a lady who's ex boyfriend was threatening her, and she feared for her life. One of the cops she spoke to explained that since a crime hadn't been committed, they couldn't do anything. She had a restraining order, but when it comes down to it, that's just a piece of paper. Won't actually stop someone who means you harm. His suggestion was to get a gun and learn how to use it. She was preparing to do that, but her coworkers talked her out of it. Told her to get a whistle instead. Her boyfriend attacked her in a parking lot, she blew her whistle so some people called the police. They were able to get there in under 5 min, which is pretty good! But by then she had been stabbed to death with a screw driver.
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12-07-2006, 08:52 AM #6
That quote from MS. Carabello is a bunch of crap often spewed forth from the gun haters. When has there ever been in Utah an instance of a CCP holder mis-handling a gun in the prevention of a crime?
Are we there yet?
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12-07-2006, 09:14 AM #7DickHeadGuestOriginally Posted by tallsteve
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12-07-2006, 11:42 AM #8
By positive story I meant one where the CCP holder acted responsibly, but I watched the video and was surprised that the VPC had more camera time than the CCP holder.
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12-07-2006, 01:04 PM #9Originally Posted by tallsteve
The state keeps pretty good records on how many licenses are revoked. Pretty common.
And, btw, your language is more the language of hate than hers...if we had to compare...
-Brian in SLC
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12-07-2006, 01:19 PM #10DickHeadGuest
Ah, upon further review, I realized its Channel 5 KSL...they are very anti gun, and their editorial blood-on-the-streets-style rants during the UoU gun debate proved it.
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12-07-2006, 01:24 PM #11
Stats on revoking of CCW permits:
http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFStat.html
I count, what, over 1500 permits revoked since the mid 90's? That's a fair number. Tad under 2% of the total permits issued by my hasty math. Kind of in line with the 2.8% denied. 82,577 issued.
Be interesting to compare that to drivers licenses. Number issued v number revoked v number denied. Then also to compare the fatality stats for firearms deaths in Utah and auto accidents. Anyone up for this? CDC has firearm deaths nationally, but, not sure if broken down per state.
Moral turpitude...ohhh, I hate it when that happens...
Was interesting how much press/ink the anti permit folk got. Wouldn't exactly call KSL the liberal media... I thought the comments a bit crude and a tad off base. Must have been either off guard or message when the media knocked.
Interesting...
-Brian in SLC
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12-07-2006, 01:27 PM #12Originally Posted by JamisJockey
Its pretty interesting, given their ownership. Wonder if Huntsman(s) are anti gun? That'd make sense then. Huge influence, I'd think. Not to mention the guns in church issue too, I suppose.
Morality police at KSL won't even air SNL...
-Brian in SLC
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12-07-2006, 01:29 PM #13DickHeadGuestOriginally Posted by Brian in SLC
Will your statistics show what the permit was revoked for? And since a permit holder is run daily through NICS and against Utah's databases for disqualifing events, I'd say that there is a higher level of checks and balances than drivers liscences. Also, CFP's can be revoked for things that DL's can't be, like restraining orders and felony convictions.....
Come back when you got game.
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12-07-2006, 01:50 PM #14Originally Posted by JamisJockey
See the stats on the Utah site. They do show what the permit was revoked for (not in great detail).
Might be apples to oranges, but, it'd be an interesting comparison, especially fatalities (although, very long stretch). Be more comparible if you needed a license to own a gun instead of a permit to carry concealed.
As far as which is easier to obtain, my guess is a CCW.
By far.
Compare requirements for each:
http://driverlicense.utah.gov/new.html
http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFNewApp.html
Heck, once you get your DL, you're most of the way to a CCW...
As far as revoking, plenty of reasons for getting your DL revoked, that have nothing to do with a CCW. So, ditto there. Felony conviction for vehicular manslaughter might nip both, I'd guess.
Check and balances? Probably not really adequate for either to prevent most of the fatalities contributed to either... Probably pretty equal in that regard, though.
Probably still don't have game yet...I'll just idle by here as a benchwarmer while you bring the team to glory...
-Brian in SLC
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12-07-2006, 05:23 PM #15DickHeadGuest
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See the stats on the Utah site. They do show what the permit was revoked for (not in great detail).
Might be apples to oranges, but, it'd be an interesting comparison, especially fatalities (although, very long stretch). Be more comparible if you needed a license to own a gun instead of a permit to carry concealed.
As far as which is easier to obtain, my guess is a CCW.
By far.
Compare requirements for each:
http://driverlicense.utah.gov/new.html
http://bci.utah.gov/CFP/CFNewApp.html
Heck, once you get your DL, you're most of the way to a CCW...
As far as revoking, plenty of reasons for getting your DL revoked, that have nothing to do with a CCW. So, ditto there. Felony conviction for vehicular manslaughter might nip both, I'd guess.
Check and balances? Probably not really adequate for either to prevent most of the fatalities contributed to either... Probably pretty equal in that regard, though.
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12-07-2006, 05:26 PM #16DickHeadGuestOriginally Posted by Brian in SLC
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12-07-2006, 08:36 PM #17Originally Posted by Maura Carabello
So, just that everybody understands, Taylor's situation is not the norm! Some people ACTUALLY get shot when they are being robbed.
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12-08-2006, 07:44 AM #18Originally Posted by JamisJockey
The DMV doesn't run your driving record against a national database on a regular basis....get too many tickets in another state and it might not even show up.....BCI runs CFP holders against the NICS and state records almost daily, and everytime you purchase a firearm, to see if you've committed any revokable (sp?) offenses.....
My put is from what I'd consider a kind of garden variety law abider. My contact with johnny law is pretty much just driving related. I suspect (hope?) the bulk of the public is the same way. Most of us, ahem, break a few traffic laws now and again. I'm guessing most of us don't have to deal with assault, domestic violence, and/or other issues of moral turpitude. Folks that do, IMHO, shouldn't be carrying concealed.
A run throught the comments on the KSL site is semi amusing.
What's also kind of interesting to me, is the reciprocal agreements between certain states. Utah has one with Colorado, but, not with Nevada. Seems weird. And, given how strict California is with their CCW, you'd think every state in the nation would honor theirs.
Wonder what percentage of folks get their CCW revoked in California. Anyone see that data? Be interesting to compare to Utah. I think around 500k folks have a CWL in California. Have a friend that has one. Really tough process to get one. And, his major complaint, when you do, its only applicable to one firearm.
Cheers,
-Brian in SLC
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12-08-2006, 08:01 AM #19DickHeadGuestOriginally Posted by Brian in SLC
The database is computerized, and I'd imagine the numbers of CFP holders in Utah is considerably less than the DL holders.
What's also kind of interesting to me, is the reciprocal agreements between certain states. Utah has one with Colorado, but, not with Nevada. Seems weird. And, given how strict California is with their CCW, you'd think every state in the nation would honor theirs.
I belive the problem with Nevada (And CA) that most states have is that they issue county-by-county, and its not technically a state-wide CFP.
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12-08-2006, 08:55 AM #20Originally Posted by JamisJockey
You can get your DL pulled for things not directly related to driving. Ie, medical, mental. Of course, if you can't see, you probably shouldn't be driving....
I think still apples to apples, but, maybe golden delicicious to macintosh.
They both have a process that is kinda similar (you apply, meet min. criteria...etc...). They both have the same purpose.
Its interesting that you don't really have to take a written test, or, show proficiency with a firearm to get a CFP. Some of the better instructors probably require some such, but, some don't. Huge variation in how folks get their CFP in Utah. Versus DL which is pretty consistant.
Interesting...: http://www.bci.utah.gov/CFP/TRANGUIDELINES.pdf
Anyhoo...fun stuff.
-Brian in SLC
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