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Thread: Salt Creek Canyon trail
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09-25-2006, 12:36 PM #1
Salt Creek Canyon trail
I was asked to share a few of my photos. To do that I had to join the forum so hi everyone.
The attached photo was taken during a wet year and just before it was closed. My '83 CJ5 has a 4' lift and 32 inch BFG's.
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09-25-2006 12:36 PM # ADS
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09-25-2006, 03:51 PM #2
Awesome man! Keep em coming...
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09-25-2006, 04:19 PM #3
Very nice .
Man I wish I would have made Salt creek before it was closed.
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09-25-2006, 06:00 PM #4
cool pic. a possible image bar candidate.
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09-29-2006, 11:34 AM #5
Yeah, it was a great trip and I enjoyed the trail which went in and out and along the creek bed. I only remember one crossing where I actually got water in my jeep. There were 8 or 9 vehicles in the group. It is also where I learned that WD40 is a great tool for when your distributor gets wet.
I think that San Juan County is still fighting to gain some control over that road, which by the way used to continue past Angel Arch according to photos one of our group had from before Canyonlands became a park.
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12-09-2006, 10:49 PM #6
Yes the road goes all the way to Angel Arch, and it was open even after the park was established. Unfortunately, some people don't want to share with others so the road is now closed. The county and Utah Shared Access Alliance are working to get the road re-opened to all forms of travel (using the previously established permit system to minimize impact). However, it's an uphill battle when fighting groups like SUWA and Wilderness Society.
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12-10-2006, 05:23 PM #7Originally Posted by scoutabout
it's nice and quiet and peaceful that way. beautiful area to be sure.
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12-10-2006, 05:55 PM #8
If it doesn't use gas..... what good is it
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12-10-2006, 07:01 PM #9Originally Posted by stefan
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12-12-2006, 07:28 AM #10
In the case of Salt Creek, I'm actually neutral (no strong opinion one way or the other), and I've admit that I've driven Salt Creek too, and more than once at that. However, here are some points:
Yes the road goes all the way to Angel Arch, and it was open even after the park was established. Unfortunately, some people don't want to share with others so the road is now closed.
The county and Utah Shared Access Alliance are working to get the road re-opened to all forms of travel
I'm pro motorized access, but I advocate responsible motorized access where it makes sense.
Another reason perhaps(?) was that the Park Service was getting a lot of calls from people wanting to be towed out after they got stuck!
There still are many other 4wd roads next to Salt Creek that can be driven. Horse Canyon, Davis Canyon, Lavender Canyon, Canyonlands Overlook, Beef Basin, Elephant Hill, Bobby's Park, etc. are all recommended 4wd roads in the area. Below is my most recent album for Davis Canyon that were taken just a short distance from the 4wd road:
http://www.summitpost.org/album/2490...nal-Park-.htmlUtah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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12-12-2006, 08:25 AM #11
While responsible motorized travel in the backcountry seems reasonable, the fact is that opening a road opens it to all operators, not just the responsible ones. The wilderness is fragile, and it doesn't take too many egomaniacle, half-drunk motorheads to rip the canyons a new corn hole.
I'm happy to see Salt Creek stay closed to vehicles, and it's near the top of my "must hike" list.
-Richard
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12-12-2006, 09:25 AM #12Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
Your comment is like saying all hikers are Subaru driving hippies who never shower. Obviously, both your comment and this one are false.
Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
Think of a hiking trail that you and your family have enjoyed for many years. Now, how would you feel if that trail was closed to you?
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12-12-2006, 09:28 AM #13Originally Posted by Richard Barron
There are irresponsible users in EVERY group (yes including hikers, backpackers, river runners, and cavers). Freedom requires responsibilty.
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12-12-2006, 09:31 AM #14
Not everyone who drives a 4x4 vehicle is part of the motorized/offroad community. It's like saying everyone who walks is a hiker.
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12-12-2006, 10:58 AM #15No responsible offroad user wants to see an increase in illegal offshoot or user created trails.
How about the new Bangs Canyon-Billings Canyon extreme off road trail south og Grand Junction? Constructed only a few years ago. This is a newly constructed one, not an old mining road or something. How about the one in Hunters Canyon in the Book Cliffs north of Grand Junction. Same exact thing.
Factory Butte is another good example. I know first hand that there were few off-shoots and user created trails, other than a few roads in the 1980Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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12-12-2006, 11:03 AM #16Originally Posted by Scott PattersonOriginally Posted by scoutabout
His distributor got wet, but that isn't some kind of proof he was dumping chemicals in the creek. The miniscule amount of material that might come loose from a vehicle during one short creek crossing is barely worth mentioning. Give nature some credit. Three feet of dirt purifies water.
Think of a hiking trail that you and your family have enjoyed for many years. Now, how would you feel if that trail was closed to you?
dang ... things change, and people have to deal with change. everyone cannot be pleased. there are far more tragic things happening than the closure of salt creek. hell, you used to be able to drive all the way through it/well into it. but i'll tell you, now that it's overgrown and eroded and peaceful, i would never want it to revert back to that time ... and that was during the 80s.
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12-12-2006, 11:11 AM #17Not everyone who drives a 4x4 vehicle is part of the motorized/offroad community.
Because I drive 4wd roads and am a wilderness advocate, are you saying I can't be considered an off-roader?
Guess what? I am a wilderness advocate. No one has told me I'm not and none of the groups that I belong to and am a member of.
Guess what else? I am a highway engineer and live in a coal mining town. PS, I also have a mountain bike (and SUV as mentioned). Does that exclude me from being a wilderness advocate?
I'm glad to see the "communities" that I am a part of just might be more accepting than the one you belong too and they allow me to join and be a part of even though I'm a 4X4ing mountain biking red-neck living in a coal mining town highway engineer.
I'm sorry, but I am a part of the 4X4 community unless you being all high and mighty might kick me out.
I admit I don't drive my SUV for day to day use due to gas milage. I've been putting only 3K to 4K miles a year. It sits in the driveway until I need to drive on rough roads. I ride my bike or walk to work. On the other hand, when I need to drive up into the Elkhead Mountains or into the Maze, you bet I start up my 4X4 and am on my way. Just because I own an SUV doesn't mean I don't try to minimize impact or vice versa.Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.
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12-12-2006, 12:31 PM #18Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
In general response to your other comments:
Anyone leaking fluids shouldn't be driving on any backcountry roads until the leak is repaired. Water crossing or not.
Yes, you used the word perhaps. I was saying that the arguement does not apply, hypothetical or not.
[quote=Scott Patterson]
Happened to many hiking places I can think of. I will use the one literally in my back yard. We used to hike up Sandrocks Mountain (actually a small hill) every evening to watch the elk and deer. As recently as 2004, there was one ATV/motorcycle track up the hill. Now there are seven and the place is noisy almost every evening. All the elk and deer are gone because of the noise. We were completely pushed out. Isn
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12-12-2006, 12:38 PM #19Originally Posted by stefan
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12-12-2006, 12:39 PM #20Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
I am also a supporter of wilderness. There definitely should be places that are closed to motorized, mechanical, and equestrian use. However, I'm willing to share the land. Unlike groups like SUWA and The Wilderness Society.
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