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    Jeep Wrangler Rubicon vs Toyota FJ Cruiser

    I'm stirrin' the pot here.

    According the latest issue (April 2006) of Consumer Reports, the authority on long term reliability of vehicles, and average four year old Jeep has 87 mechanical problems per 100 vehicles. This is compared to 25 for Toyota. While one person may have good luck with a Jeep, you are still taking a risk by buying one. Simply put, an average Jeep will have 348% more problems than the average Toyota. Big difference.

    Jeep is on my black list of vehicles never to buy again. I used to own one (89 Wrangler).

    The FJ is claimed to be better off-road than the Rubicon, but it would be better to have an unbiased source compare them side by side to see if it's really true. One report says they are equal, but the Rubicon has a slight advantage due to dimensions.

    Here is one review I've found:

    http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8e9d9

    In the Forums, there's quite a discussion about the FJ Cruiser. Lots of speculation about the vehicle's pricing and how capable it will be off road and how well it will stack up against cars like the Jeep Wrangler, Hummer H3 and Nissan Xterra. Well, I've driven all four of these vehicles, and the FJ's pricing has been released, so I will go ahead and set the record straight right here:

    The FJ is a screaming bargain. It starts at less than $22,000 for a 2WD automatic, and it tops out at $23,300 for a 4WD auto. If you load it up with luxury items and off-road equipment you might crack $29,000, but even a base 4x4 version will utterly destroy any remotely surmoutable off-road driving surface. It's also better equipped than the other three cars (even before you add options) and, in my not-so-humble opinion, it is by far the best looking and best on-road driving vehicle of the group, too. I'll maybe give the Jeep Rubicon a slight advantage in pure off-road ability, but only because of the Wrangler's tidier dimensions, not because it has superior equipment or any other inherent "capability" advantage. And in terms of everything not related to going off road, the FJ pummels the Wrangler (BTW, I'm a big Jeep Wrangler fan, but I'm not going to let that fact warp reality).


    Here's another, but it sounds like they didn't drive them side by side:

    http://www.vanguardngr.com/articles/...121032006.html

    [i]Most of those parts and accessories undoubtedly will be for off-road use. After traversing a fomidable off-road course in the Fj, Mark Williams, editor of our sister publication Truck Trend, says,
    Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.

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    I remember looking at the new FJ concept a few years ago. It looked awesome and I knew it had a good chance of making it. Well, it seems that it finally hit the assembly line and I saw one with yellow plates yesterday. If I was in the market for a vehicle of that type I know what I would buy.

    Yet, I am currently winning the second motorcycle battle with the wife. Don't want to take my foot off the gas too early.


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    WOW if my land rover got anywhere near 15 mph i'd be doing backflips!!!

    one thing that your consumer reports dont account for is vehicle user enthusiam. i bought my Discovery out of pure wanten desire. i had to have it!
    no matter what the cost.
    and to date, i'd be willing to bet i've paid more in repairs and upgrades than i did when i bought the thing new.
    so what's my point... some times true love conquers all?
    love is blind? or i/m just a glutton for punishment for buying a Limey POS?
    if i had to do it over again, i would in a heart beat!

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    As the former owner of an 85 and a 76 Cherokee this is the Acronym for JEEP: Just Empty Every Pocket.

    I had nothing but trouble with Jeep vehicles and will never buy one again. On the other hand, one vehicle I truly treasured and wished I had never given up was my old Toyota FJ40 Landcruiser--a '72.

    Toyota over Jeep in a heartbeat.

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    Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon vs Toyota FJ Cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
    Horsepower: 190@4600 rpm
    Horsepower: 239@5200 rpm


    Go big or go home

    8.3-liter Viper V10 engine
    500 horsepower, 525 lb-ft of torque
    0-60 mph in the low-5-second range
    154-mph top speed

    http://www.dodge.com/srt-10/performa...ndex&type=left


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    The FJ looks pretty nice. What's the price? I tried looking up some images, and ended up getting some porn sites for some reason. That's quite the story to discuss at work.

    I'll have to continue my research at home.

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    8.3-liter Viper V10 engine
    500 horsepower, 525 lb-ft of torque
    0-60 mph in the low-5-second range
    154-mph top speed
    Thing looks low to the ground. It would probably bottom out on a curb.
    Utah is a very special and unique place. There is no where else like it on earth. Please take care of it and keep the remaining wild areas in pristine condition. The world will be a better place if you do.

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    I think the price range is 22,000-29,000
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    The toyota dealership on riverdale road has one on display and they look pretty bad ass, I would like to get one, curently have a tacoma and I don't know if I can give up not having a truck (the bed) I have been following these and like them alot, the one display looks really nice and I believe it has all the bells and whistles, it looks alot better/beefier than the pic posted above



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    Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon vs Toyota FJ Cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Iceaxe
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
    Horsepower: 190@4600 rpm
    Horsepower: 239@5200 rpm


    Go big or go home

    8.3-liter Viper V10 engine
    500 horsepower, 525 lb-ft of torque
    0-60 mph in the low-5-second range
    154-mph top speed

    http://www.dodge.com/srt-10/performa...ndex&type=left

    Lets see price??? Off road capabilities? Not the best comparison you could have picked??



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    I don't doubt that Toyota could easily put something out there that rivals or beats the Jeep Wrangler all-around, but they really blew it on the looks of the FJ Cruiser. When I first heard they were making a concept vehicle out of it, I got really excited--the image in my mind was a modernized FJ-40 Land Cruiser. I think the new production FJ Cruiser is just too goofy looking for me.

    I actually do have plans to buy a used TJ Wrangler next year, 'cause they'll easily be in my price range, but I really hope Toyota does something about the looks on the FJ. Maybe in a few years I'll be able to afford a used one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udink
    I think the new production FJ Cruiser is just too goofy looking for me.
    I agree, just by looking at it you can tell there may be some visibility problems.

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    that is one butt ugly vehicle.

    but if it says toyota its quality. had an fj60 years ago that got 300k miles on its first motor and still good compression on all 6. buried it in a river once, had currrent flowing thru the cab. no snorkel on it but it started right back up 6 hours later when we came to pull it out. man i loved that vehicle... toyota is the way to go for those who prefer function over bs.

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    I'm a Jeep man, but looking at the FJ stats, I'd give it a try...

    BTW, it was I who moved this to the Off Road 4X4 section. We're just lacking some topics there. This still has the shadow topic from the General Discussion forum for easy access. Thanks.

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    Jeep hands down! First of all, from a mechanical viewpoint based on personal experience. I have owned five Jeep vehicles, and had "good luck" with all of them. No major issues, only the usual maintenance (brakes, plugs, etc). The Jeep I currently drive to work every day and wheel the most is a 94 Jeep XJ with 285,000 miles on the original 4.0 litre engine and all I have done to it is change the oil every 3000 miles. Say what you want about Jeeps, but with routine maintenance they will run forever.

    On the other hand, I have owned 1 Toyota pickup (93), and a 4-Runner (2004) and for the most part, loved them. However, I had to rebuild the engine in my 93 at 97000 miles, it was the four cylinder and needless to say it should have gone much, much longer. In my (former) 2004 runner, I had to dump $1500 into it the week I bought it, in order to try to get it to run right. Sensors, injectors, ignition control modules, etc. LUCKILY, the dealer I bought it from took it back and applied the money I had to spend toward a 2001 Cherokee that my wife currently drives, that hasn't cost me anyting but gas and oil.

    So as has been said before, it all comes down to personal experience, I had a bad experience with two seperate Toyotas, and will never own one again, unless it were given to me.

    From an off-road viewpoint, living in Moab makes ability a necessity. I am a hard core solid front axle fan, so the FJ Cruiser is dead in the water to me right off the bat. If they were going to attempt a hard-core off roader, they should have taken a hint from the Rubicon (or the FJ-40, 60, or 80 series), and put a solid front axle with Toyota's famous factory locker in it and the rear. Sure you could swap one in yourself, but WHY? The cost of that would put you even further in the hole just to get to the level at which Jeeps roll off the assembly line. The new traction control systems do a great job, but nothing beats two solid axles and selectable lockers IMHO.
    Why would I live anywhere BUT Utah?

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    I have a good friend who is a mechanic who favors Toyota and has a very capable four runner. I have a Jeep just cause that's what I ended up with. I've had it since 93 and it has gotton me to some awesome destinations, and I've had some four wheel fun with it too---
    Mods-
    Dana 60 rear with 3.11 gears and Detroit locker
    Terra Lo tranfer case
    Stock front axle with air locker and larger upgraded outer Ujoints
    Custom buggy leaf suspension with full wrap and reverse shackles
    Rancho 9000 shocks with in cab adjustments
    Catback exhaust system and Borla header
    33" Goodrich AT's --previously had the indestructible Goodyear MTR's on there.
    Roll Cage

    4 wheeling
    Rubicon trail a couple of times
    Moab--Hell's Revenge and Golden Spike
    Johnson Valley--Sledgehammer, Jackhammer and Wrecking Ball
    Martinez Mine, Woodpecker
    Los Coyotes Indian Res California

    Best Th's---on lots of old mining roads in Utah, Cali, Az and New Mexico.

    I've broken the main leaf on the springs in the rear several time, knocked a shock mount off, had an engine mount go and put the fan into the radiator, been hung up on rocks, rolled it once, on it's left side once and right side once---I've always been able to drive it home. Say what you want about Jeeps' but my old Jeep just keeps plugging away.

    What I like is now it is old and has lots of miles I don't care if I trash the body as long as it keeps running----bushwacking--bring it on!!!
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    I ran Zuks in the past, Toys and now a Jeep. I like them all, they get me to where I want to be, some just a little better. I'm not here to say ones better than the other, just that I like wheeling and when it comes to getting up that obstacle, oh yea, I'm trying it. Rolling over or not, I hate by-passes

    I thought this little segment was on the FJ vs Rubi. I have yet to see a FJ in any real wheeling situations, whether it be in stock condition or modified. I'll take the Rubi in any condition, I've seen them and I know what they're capable of. To me, the FJ, looks like a Tupperware container. That white top looks like it would peel right off and inside would be some nice fresh fruits

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    Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon vs Toyota FJ Cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Patterson
    The FJ is claimed to be better off-road than the Rubicon, but it would be better to have an unbiased source compare them side by side to see if it's really true. One report says they are equal, but the Rubicon has a slight advantage due to dimensions.
    Where did you hear this claim? The j**p might have more mechanical problems and the FJ Cruiser might be a better overall value as a car, but in no way will a FJ Cruiser beat a Rubicon in off-road performance. Having driven both in off-road situations and having seen both in many different off-road circumstances, I can tell you that the j**p wins in off-road performance.

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    Re: Jeep Wrangler Rubicon vs Toyota FJ Cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by scoutabout
    j**p
    Hey, watch your language.

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