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Thread: A discussion about Guns
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10-03-2005, 08:36 PM #1
A discussion about Guns
Here it is, let us have it!! This thread is inspired from a discussion that started in the "Who are you?" thread, that was kind of hijacked.
Feel free to give us your opinions on Firearms. Are you against them? Do you like them? Fill us in on some viewpoints we may not have seen before.
State your opinion, and share your feelings, weak or STRONG. Just keep it PG-13. Thanks.
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10-03-2005 08:36 PM # ADS
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10-03-2005, 08:57 PM #2Originally Posted by TreeHugger
Originally Posted by Superriffic S*
There was/is plenty of crime to go around over there, and guns were hardly mentioned. There have been many bank robberies at knifepoint.
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10-03-2005, 09:09 PM #3
I am pretty neutral on this. But I voted "I'll never give up my guns!!" Not quite as liberal as that statement or this picture. But I do value FREEDOM and feel that we all benefit from living in this country. I try to respect the freedoms that others choose.
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10-03-2005, 09:26 PM #4
Heres a good case study for you on gun bans:
Guns are absolutely and completely illegal in Mexico (surprising considering it is a country where pretty much everything else IS legal). Virtually none of the general public owns them. The only people that own them are Policemen and Criminals who get them regardless of legality.
What is the situation like? Corrupt policemen and criminals who are very confident and malicious.
I have a friend who was on a bus in northern mexico that got Hijacked and robbed. Would you feel safe hijacking a GreyHound?
Is the crime rate in Mexico lower? Are Mexican cities safter places to live than American cities? Would society be safer if we took guns away from the general public and then spent millions trying in futulity to take them away from the criminals? Do I need to answer these questions?
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10-03-2005, 11:19 PM #5
Good points about Mexico. I spent a few years down in Ecuador on a mission, and it was a pretty common sight to see a guy murdered on the front page of every newspaper, every day. The weapon of choice used in the homicide? A MACHETE!! In Latin America, the Machete is one of the most commonly used murder weapons.
If people are gonna commit murder, they'll find a way -- guns or no guns.It's only "science" if it supports the narrative.
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10-04-2005, 06:37 AM #6DickHeadGuest* Every six hours, an American between 10 & 19 years ol commits suicide with a gun.
* More people between the ages of 15 and 24 are killed with guns than by all natural causes combined.
* Gunshot wounds are the number two killer of all Americans ages 10 to 34.
* A recent survey found that more than 1.2 million elementary school age latchkey children hav household access to a gun.
* A recent survey found that 18% of suburban high school students own a handgun.
* Another survey found that 35% of hight school students from high crime areas carry guns regularly.
* The gun you own for self protection is 43 times more likely to kill an innocent acquaintance than to be used for self-defense.
* In one recent year, there were 18 handgun homicides in Australia, 33 in Great Britain, 36 in Sweden, 60 in Japan, 97 in Switzerland, 128 in Canada and 13,495 in the United States.
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10-04-2005, 06:40 AM #7DickHeadGuest
Rock_ski
Very good point. I'd bet money Mexico has a higher muder and crime rate.....
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10-04-2005, 06:55 AM #8DickHeadGuest
http://www.gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-fa...4-0-Screen.pdf
Good info there, with government facts and stats to back it up.
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10-04-2005, 07:33 AM #9Originally Posted by rock_ski_cowboy
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10-04-2005, 07:38 AM #10DickHeadGuest
You're funny. Guns are just a tool. Just like a car, a chainsaw, or a pocket knife.
You can call me a pu**y all you want. I've been called worse in the last 24 hours.
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10-04-2005, 09:58 AM #11Originally Posted by JamisJockey
continue on without me...Two roads diverged in a wood, and I - I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference. ~ Frost
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10-04-2005, 10:06 AM #12
I don't currently own a gun. When I did it was a shotgun. I would like to own a rifle, once again for hunting purposes.
I don't see the purpose in owning a gun for anything other than hunting. I'm fine if others want to own one for protection or whatever. I don't see how owning a gun will really keep you any safer. You would need to have that gun on you 24/7 to even have a chance of it making you safer. Most people aren't going to have the time to reach for it if attacked. Think about it. If I'm going to be raped (I hope it's that Sam chick on Las Vegas) she would take me from behind slap me upside the head, and other things. I'm not going to be able to get that gun out and use it in an effective manner while scuffling with her, and there is the chance she'd grab it and shoot me with it. I'd rather take a course on how to defend myself by physical means once someone jumps me.
I just don't believe guns are the answer for protection, doesn't make any sense other than a sense of safety. Guns keeping me safe is like George W. keeping me safe with his homeland security BS, going to war with Iraq, and 15,000 check points at the airport.
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10-04-2005, 10:07 AM #13DickHeadGuest
Ha! How can you say something is needlessly dangerous without a comparison? Hypothesis cannot be formed without a control group.
Oh, and James, I forgot to add:
I am a pu**y. I'm 5'3. I'm 155lbs. I've got kids. I am not going toe to toe with some gang member who wants to carjack my car with my kids in it. I'm going to end any situation I can't get out of in a very quick, violent manner. Especially when it comes to the protection of my wife, children, or home.
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10-04-2005, 10:25 AM #14
[quote=James_B_Wads2000]Wow, your right! Mexico is a piece of sh*t country. That means guns are cool. I
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10-04-2005, 11:19 AM #15
Oh oh oh , I just can't resist any more. You anti-gun nut liberals just kill me. Can we please just ban cell phones. I've had a lot more people almost kill me with their cars + a pleasant cell phone conversation than with guns. Accidental or not. Can the liberals just cede from the union, and try to fight off the french pussies when they come to take them over? Ha ha You really shouldn't take a stance on anything though. You might be offending someone. Oh right, as long as its just white males, they don't count. They need to be repaying all of the wrongs that their ancestors did to a bunch of people who couldn't stand up for themselves. Isn't evolution a generally accepted liberal principle, perhaps Darwinism? Survival of the fittest? Well, I'm the fittest and I'm going to kick your ass. How do you feel about that?
BTW - I'm very conservative, but I get along fine with my lib friends. Just get over it. There is a right and a wrong, and you're not right just because you think you are or believe some way. Get over it. Quit being offended by one thing and doing something completely offensive in return. Toughen up, take some personal responsibility, and live your life.
anyone want to read my "why I voted for Bush" blog????It's my job to call the BS around here. Get over it.
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10-04-2005, 12:40 PM #16Originally Posted by JamisJockey
You see this is my hang up with gun owners, this idea that deadly force is the way to solve your problems. And the way gun owners fantasize about getting the chance to shoot someone. You create these bullsh*t unlikely and unrealistic scenarios (like the one above) where you, the hero, are in a situation where you committing murder is justified. Murder is sick no matter how you justify it. And in my humble opinion people who own guns with the implied or explicit intention of shooting someone are sick to (guns for hunting or sporting are an exception).
"Guns are for Pussies" is not meant to be taken so literal. A pu**y in this case is someone who is afraid of things in this world that they can't control (other people
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10-04-2005, 12:57 PM #17Originally Posted by rock_ski_cowboy
Originally Posted by rock_ski_cowboy
James
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10-04-2005, 01:17 PM #18
[quote=James_B_Wads2000]"Guns are for Pussies" is not meant to be taken so literal. A pussy in this case is someone who is afraid of things in this world that they can't control (other people
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10-04-2005, 02:42 PM #19Superriffic S*GuestOriginally Posted by TreeHugger
So, in the immortal words of Cher (Alicia Silverstone) in Clueless (the Movie)... "So, OK, the Attorney General says there is too much violence on T.V. and that should stop. But even if you took out all the violent shows, you could still see the news. So, until mankind is peaceful enough not to have violence on the news, there's no point in taking it out of shows that need it for entertainment value. Thank you."
Oh, and... Life is a Musical!
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10-04-2005, 04:22 PM #20
I'm getting a kick out of all this. I own three guns: 12gauge shotgun, hunting rifle, and a 22 long pistol. These guns sit in a cupboard in the garage, 15 feet off the ground. They were given to me by my father, and they mean a lot to me (sentimental value). I don't profess that they will make our home safer (obviously, since they're stashed away), but they're great hunting weapons, and the thought of shooting another human being with them repulses me.
Have fun and...flame on!!It's only "science" if it supports the narrative.
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