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  1. Thread: Scout Training?

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    BSA National recently updated its climbing web...

    BSA National recently updated its climbing web page. It includes a link to download the recently-released manual, Belay On, which I believe is a replacement for Topping Out.
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    You can't run the activity as a BSA Climbing...

    You can't run the activity as a BSA Climbing Instructor in that council. I think that is the source of the frustration expressed elsewhere in this thread. Climb on Safely requires specialized...
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    Canyoneering is specifically stated as requiring...

    Canyoneering is specifically stated as requiring specialized training in Climb On Safely. Just being a CL2 instructor isn't enough. Also, the GSLC climbing policy specifically applies to caving. It...
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    Smells like a steak and seats 35

    One word: Canyonero.

    http://youtu.be/7ZeFDe44Ddo
  5. Thread: Scout Training?

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    Thank you for the very thoughtful response. You...

    Thank you for the very thoughtful response. You make some great points. :cool2:

    Please consider that obtaining the child's signature won't likely serve as a waiver of the child's claim of...
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    Thanks! :2thumbs:

    Thanks! :2thumbs:
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    So that I may independently verify this...

    So that I may independently verify this information, would you kindly indicate who at BSA National indicated that they don't have a clue what Brandt Jones is doing?
  8. Thread: Scout Training?

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    You should worry. In 2001, the Utah Supreme Court...

    You should worry. In 2001, the Utah Supreme Court took away the ability of a parent to waive a child's negligence claim. The case is Hawkins v. Peart.



    Having BSA policy explained to you and...
  9. Thread: Scout Training?

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    Tough question. I can empathize with your...

    Tough question. I can empathize with your frustration!

    The bottom line is that you need to comply with BSA National and council policies. That is the only way to protect yourself, your family, and...
  10. Thread: Scout Training?

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    :nono: I don't think so. The paper version of the...

    :nono: I don't think so. The paper version of the Tour Plan makes this pretty clear (I think anyway):

    [QUOTE=Tour Plan]Unauthorized and Restricted Activities: The BSA
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    I believe the only person on this thread who can...

    I believe the only person on this thread who can answer your question with authority kindly offered a way to contact him in post #40. I'd give him a call.

    I appreciate and admire your diligence in...
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    Wow. I'm pretty sure some of this isn't correct....

    Wow. I'm pretty sure some of this isn't correct. There have been a number of fairly significant changes this year.

    I'd suggest taking Brandt up on his offer that was made earlier in this thread -...
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    Great clarification. Thank you.

    Great clarification. Thank you.
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    Good discussion here. I appreciate your great...

    Good discussion here. I appreciate your great attitude, Kuya, notwithstanding the frustration!!!

    Regarding Mountaineer's comment above, I don't think it is council specific. Again, I'm just some...
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    In terms of finding out what you need to be...

    In terms of finding out what you need to be legit, you should talk to someone with authority on the subject, as has been previously stated in this thread. I don't think anything that would be posted...
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    Whoa ... there's a bit of information on this...

    Whoa ... there's a bit of information on this thread that is a bit concerning !!! :eek2: Intentionally omitting information on a Tour Plan as a means of avoiding liability? Yikes!!! A Scout is...
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    Thanks, Mountaineer for jumping in here. Very...

    Thanks, Mountaineer for jumping in here. Very helpful! :2thumbs: I just want to clarify one thing:



    I'm not in the Trapper Trails Council, so take this for what it's worth, but I don't think...
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    I'm not sure about Trapper Trails. But as I...

    I'm not sure about Trapper Trails. But as I understand it, professional guides that are approved by the GSLC can be used, or you can go through the climbing and canyoneering courses sponsored by the...
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    The original article referenced Zion. KSL changed...

    The original article referenced Zion. KSL changed the reference to the Grand Canyon. Sorry for the misleading thread title.
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    Zion Park Rangers

    Don't Mess with Park Rangers:

    Man upset after asking ranger for help, getting handcuffed instead

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  21. [News] It would be nice to know the particulars of this...

    It would be nice to know the particulars of this incident so that all may learn from it. I hope someone will post additional info on what happened. Not knowing what happened, I will refrain from...
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    I like the system identified in illustration 9 of...

    I like the system identified in illustration 9 of the Petzl Micro Traxion Technical Notice. I use a Ropeman II instead of a Tibloc for my upper ascender.

    It took me awhile to get the correct...
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    How many people are in line for the Fiery...

    How many people are in line for the Fiery Furnace, Iceaxe?
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    [QUOTE=dallison;525797]I am not going to change...

    [QUOTE=dallison;525797]I am not going to change anyone
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    Good on ya for digging in and trying to get to...

    Good on ya for digging in and trying to get to the bottom of this, Kuya! :2thumbs:



    Yes it would. I wish I could help you, but I honestly don't know the answer to your question. I think the...
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