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I don't follow that logic.

There's fewer people overall (all the pros bail), and there's probably fewer noobies as well because more of them are deterred by the additional bureaucracy. Fewer...

I'm definitely not blaming the park, although I think they should be more blunt in monsoon season: afternoon storm warning = no joke. Reconsider your trip.



Exactly: if you don't live in an...

Your first bullet point is the one that hits home with me. Given that it was 40% chance of rain, probable flash flooding, and predicted afternoon storms when they pulled the permit...and then 50%...

I don't take offense to anything.



I never said that it was. What I am trying to say: a precipitation layer does not necessarily imply the directional movement of a storm. However, for the now...

I'm not trying to "miss the obvious" (it's not like I start my mornings out trying to be oblivious); I'm trying to understand things. I'm open to the possibility that I'm wrong.

My only point is...

Yep, I remeasured--I stand corrected: ~15 miles

I watched it repeatedly.

That's a precipitation layer on the map, not the direction in which a storm front is actually moving. Think of a storm moving west to east shaped like a "\" hitting...

I measured on google maps; ~25 miles as the bird files.

I've never been in one, but the few videos/pictures I've seen of canyons in zion flashing lead me to believe if you're in the water, you are super, super dead.

I was thinking more about David Rankin's analysis...and the time displayed isn't Utah time, it's off by an hour. So I was wrong: the storm did hit keyhole between 4:40 and 5, like NPS stated. David...

there is not. the first rap is correctly marked in the overview jman posted. the yellow section requires no rappelling, largest drop is maybe 4-5 feet or so.

Yup, that's exactly what I was looking for. Thanks. So they were at the opening of middle which is what I suspected, but wasn't sure about.

By "top of the slot" I'm assuming you mean the entrance to keyhole (i.e. bottom of steep root-infested slope)?

It can't be 4:30, because the rain was already pounding the keyhole basin around...

I'm really interested A) in the photo's timestamp (it should have info about when it was taken) and B) the location of the photo. That looks like it was taken by the entrance to keyhole (i.e....