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Yes, these are the three I noticed. The palm-up position that others have mentioned isn't ideal, either.

I look at fireman's belay like a hip belay. In the right circumstances it can certainly...

I'm saddened but not shocked that everyone is piling on to this poor women's partners for not providing a fireman's belay. I would think before you sling blame around, especially if friends of the...

Some on the 'worst names' list were in use long before canyoneers came to town.

Twin Corral Box is a fine, long-established name, and it's a shame that canyoneers with no imagination called it...

7plummets.com: a project to descend the biggest waterfall canyons on each continent.

All they completed is one in Norway, Kjeragfossen, where waterfall #5 is around 950m. Unclear if they did it...

Look at the link again. The rope was tied to an 800 bridge, but control was lost at between 115 and 400 feet, with most of the tests having control lost at 240 feet or less, all within the realm of...

No offense to you or your daughter Shane, but I'm not convinced. I do concede that it is hard to tell from the video, but what I see is someone falling and not letting go of their break hand, and...

Au contraire, though I will concede that the permit system is not the only reason that guiding is banned in the park, it is a very major reason from the park's point of view, and based on visitor...

The interview with the guide in the articles brings up an important point that I think many people have missed.

The couple in this tragic accident had a descent of the Subway on their "bucket...

I remember a dust-up a few years back where Rich took Darren (of ATS/WCCM fame) to task for teaching the use of autoblocks in flowing water situations. Rich said by doing so it was only a matter of...

[LEFT]Well, I

Seriously, people... :roll:

M

Alrighty then, Utah Canyoneering Association it is! We'll see how well your model works for Arches access I guess.

Of course there aren't any. The ACA was supposed to be all things so nobody bothered to create any. It didn't work. Now we are where we are. Though you can say the ZCC is an independent group. ...

I had a thought this weekend on organization mission, and after thinking about it for a while, I think this may be a better direction. I think Shane and others may have mentioned something similar....

Personally I dislike the term "coalition" because, to me, it implies that the group is fighting for something (like the "rebel coalition", "coalition of the willing", or more local for me, the...

To get things started I suggest the following.

First, stimulate discussion on what people want to see. Check! That has already started.

Second, focus the discussion onto three points:

-...

My thoughts:

First, dump 'ethics' from the mission statement. Ethics are a very local thing and nobody wants the big bag national org to tell them how to do things. Instead, leave it up to the...

The mission statement is probably the single most important item that we need to discuss. Everything else flows from it.

Here are mission statements from similar orgs that I copied off the...

I started an egroup to discuss this at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/canyonorgdiscussion/

The group is open to anyone interested in participating, or just watching to see what happens.

I...

I sent a note around this morning gauging interest from a few people. Several have replied expressing interest in at least having the discussion. I was thinking about starting an egroup to discuss...

Answering my own questions. Rich stated this morning that the Academy will be a "wholly owned by me". I guess we'll see if that means he's filing as a non-profit or not. It's a shame he chose to...

Personally I think that the ACA rename just muddies the waters more and in the end does nearly nothing to address the concerns people have shown with the ACA. I would love to see some clarification:...

Bwahahahaha, see you all in a few months when we go through Rich's "I quit!" exercise again! The drama shall never die!

M

PS - oh yeah, this changes nothing, Phillip's questions remain valid,...

Wasn't the swamp the cool tent to hang out in in the movie/tv show MASH?

M

Posted by Rich this morning:

Decision has been made. No need to wait until Nov 1. The American Canyoneering Association is going away completely. If someone wants to start a new association,...