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  1. [Trip Report] It helps to stick with one beta site - get a...

    It helps to stick with one beta site - get a feel/understanding of their lingo, speed, etc. IMHO RTRyan is short and concise with his beta, and is fast. Bluugnome is wayyy over the top on info and...
  2. Thread: Hog 3

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    [Beta] My experience is Hog 3 not as tight as Mid Lep or...

    My experience is Hog 3 not as tight as Mid Lep or Alcatraz. I do not remember tightness being as issue.
    You come in high, then mostly stay high. Hog 1 has high stemming going laterally for several...
  3. Thread: Suggestions?

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    Agreed ! Just did all 3 Butlers for 1st time in...

    Agreed ! Just did all 3 Butlers for 1st time in mid Oct, and repeat of Slide. All are good stuff - just about right length for this time of year light and temps. Shenanigans is a blast - I was kinda...
  4. Thread: Upper Stair

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    Thanks both !

    Thanks both !
  5. Thread: Upper Stair

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    Upper Stair

    Heading down to North Wash for 1st time in few years. After several previous visits finally going to do the Butlers. At 145 lbs think I can sneak thru Shenanigans.
    Not done Upper Stair either -...
  6. Why would you shuttle around instead of the nice...

    Why would you shuttle around instead of the nice hike up and then out via narrows? Just as fast and much better than driving cars back and forth.
  7. [Fortunately there is a 3rd (maybe spot of 4th)...

    [Fortunately there is a 3rd (maybe spot of 4th) class scramble that bypasses the river section and rejoins the normal egress route. Plenty of bushwhack and poor quality rock - of course.

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    The 4 on your list have pretty straightforward...

    The 4 on your list have pretty straightforward exits. No Man's exit route is a little convoluted - so might take longer than 4 hrs figuring it out 1st time.
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    Exactly ! We went straight down right where his...

    Exactly ! We went straight down right where his arrow is, but later saw if we had kept traversing it would have been easy stuff.
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    Some waste deep wading as worst. Mostly...

    Some waste deep wading as worst. Mostly ankle/knee deep.
    Much better than last time few years ago after flashflood blew thru it. Several swims then.
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    We did Larry 10/2. And did the bypass just cause...

    We did Larry 10/2. And did the bypass just cause we like to scramble/climb. From the last raps it is hard to see, but there are actually several ways to downclimb - some easy some not so much. We...
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    [Beta] Yes. Or we always have done it with 2 - 60m...

    Yes.
    Or we always have done it with 2 - 60m ropes. Double strand rap to to ledge on 1 rope, Set up 2nd rope for single strand rap to bottom. Everyone raps thru and last man pulls top rope, ties...
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    [Trip Report] Very nice pics. A friend and I did it 2 yrs ago...

    Very nice pics. A friend and I did it 2 yrs ago in fall. And we found out as we got into it right after a flash flood. 1/2 through the tech section it was waist high water, very muddy and a mess. A...
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    Look we agree on all with 1 exception. I too...

    Look we agree on all with 1 exception. I too absolutely believe in personal risk assessment, and responsibility.
    But how do you judge risk?
    All of those examples have nothing to do with the...
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    Gee willigers yourself. So your point is people...

    Gee willigers yourself. So your point is people are impatient and curious, nothing we can do, nothing to learn, just move on?
    I know you are SAR but that seems incredibly cynical. Do you NOT...
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    Now that is a smart sharp relevant post, huh?...

    Now that is a smart sharp relevant post, huh? Makes a good connection to canyoneering, and the knowledge and decision making process of accessing danger while doing so.

    Nice cheap shot - well done...
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    I agree with that but I in no way blame the park....

    I agree with that but I in no way blame the park. Tom disagreed with my comment on a 'massive storm'. What I meant to say was 'massive cell'. We get storm cells all the time during monsoon in...
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    "Back on topic, these canyoneers last chance to...

    "Back on topic, these canyoneers last chance to view the Southern skies was at the saddle, prior to dropping in."

    In following and reading everything about this tragedy this has been my biggest...
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    [Trip Report] double

    double
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    [Trip Report] What ?? No wetsuiting up at your car?? LOL

    What ?? No wetsuiting up at your car?? LOL
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    Anyone that big could have serious...

    Anyone that big could have serious heat/dehydration/exhaustion issues doing anything in the desert - let alone a 4hr or longer canyon/hike. Be careful and maybe start real short and sweet?
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    Or maybe Congress could just fund our National...

    Or maybe Congress could just fund our National Parks like they should. Take care of the billions $ in backlog maintenance alone would be incredible.
    I completely agree with user fees - have bought...
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    [Trip Report] South Maid is very nice. You can go thru it with...

    South Maid is very nice. You can go thru it with other good canyoneers at a quick clip and try to downclimb everything possible - or take relative noobs thru it, assist them, and get them to start to...
  24. Thread: Rapel Devices

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    My memory after 5-6 times in Subway is of there...

    My memory after 5-6 times in Subway is of there not being much of a trail really in the upper part as you hike down from the actual Subway. Lots of rock hopping, creek crossings, etc. Only in the...
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    I can't open any of Shane's links? Is it me?...

    I can't open any of Shane's links? Is it me? (probably)
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