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Just remember - if we bet wrong - our grandchildren will suffer.

Yup - that's what we used when I was a kid. On school hols I helped with the washing, wringing and hanging-out..

this thread is no good without a poll

two subjects come out of this.

First - the earth is more dynamic than I was led to believe as a child 50 years ago. In Alaska, the treeline is marching north over what used to be tundra as climate...