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I'm impressed your leather gloves lasted that long. Leather is really nice for rappelling, but gets destroyed real quick in wet canyons. I am now going with the common wisdom and got a 12-pack of...

Is that a current one? I was there in June this year, and the one I signed had all the canyoneering stuff in one column on the left, (on the back side of the permit), which they asked me to check....

"unexpected obstacles" -- Hmm. When you get the permit, you have to sign a paper saying that everyone in your group knows how to rappel, ascend a rope, etc etc. Plus, Tom's beta spells out every...

Great to see some serious competition in this field! Excited to see more reviews of these things.

Like I said, I have a UV light thingy. I also always bring iodine pills as a backup. Either should take care of any bad stuff in the water. I just don't want to eat sand ;)

Cool. My group is doing Fat Man's in two weeks.

Question: Is there any water along the way? And how clear is the water in the river at the end? Not sure how much to bring and when/where we can...

Wow, what type of ropes were those?
The only one I've measured was my 240' 9.2 canyonero, which only shrank to 237' after quite a bit of use... not a whole lot. Unfortunately I never measured it...

There is a "Climbing Potholes Strictly Prohibited' Sign flashing by at the end of the 2nd video.

Ok, but where is the beta?? ;)

Thanks Tom & Iceaxe. That's where I thought the other start was. I always bring the savvy, webbing, and QLs ;)

Related question: I am planning on doing this intermediate variant on your Echo page:



Since we have to start from the top anyway due to the trail closure - why not?

The question is, when...

I am also curious about this. Brennen has some beta:
http://www.dankat.com/swhikes/content.htm

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No idea, but very glad I saved all the pages from there!

Thanks for posting that additional info.
Does "Stave Spring Trailhead" refer to the TH that is just northeast of Stave Spring? Tom calls this the "East Rim Trailhead" on one of his maps. Doesn't...

I found some more info, so I will reply to my own question. The specific permit pages for Echo confirms my fears:



I guess I'll have to do it from the top, if at all.
This also impacts Mystery...

The NPS web site has this alert:



I was planning on doing Echo canyon on June 19th. Anyone know if this will be impacted by these closures?