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Scott, what you say makes sense and I totally agree with you. The bad thing for me is that I'm not a scout leader, I'm just helping take the boys through. Like you said, the rules don't make sense....

The "climb on safely" training is just basic safety tips like wear a helmet. Taking that training does not qualify you as a certified instructor. There's a whole different training you have to take...

Thanks Ryebrye,

Believe me, I'm on your side. Top down is the way to go and it isn't a very difficult canyon to take new people through. It pains me a bit to think that these boys are only...

Thanks Tom. I am familiar with your site (has come in handy in the past) and I did read the article. Apparently I did not read it good enough i guess. I was curious what features you could get to...

Hi everyone,
I've been reading through some recent posts regarding the current conditions in the Subway. Looks like there was some crazy water flow during the first part of the month! Anyone heard...

Anyone been in Zion since last weeks rain storms? Just wondering if anything big hit down there and caused any flashes recently. Particularly around Spry/Pine Creek area. Thanks for any info.

We ended up going through fish/owl last weekend. We enjoyed it. I liked both canyons. We wished we would have been able to spot more of the ruins though. We only checked out the one at the...

Wow, is all I can say. That got a little heated. I'm not going to comment on the video. It would be nice to know where some rappels are in the davis/weber county area. Anyone answer these yet?

I just purchased a Garmin 60csx with the Topo software. Took it down to Fish and Owl Creek last weekend am I'm loving it so far. Much better than the old Magellan I've been borrowing from my dad. ...

What about dropping in Bullet Canyon and going out Toadie. I've read about Bullet but haven't found as much about toadie. Any of you dont toadie before? Any difficulties expected? Thanks

I heard most of fish creek isn't all that great. Owl looks really cool though. How about todie, anyone done that? We're looking to try to keep this to a 2 day trip now so I'm looking at our...

Unless the weather turns off bad, looks like we will be heading down there. We are looking at some different options though that we will be able to complete in two days. Any other favorites that...

Thanks guys. We'll see how it goes. From the sounds of it we should be ok. I'll try to get some pictures to share, whether its of the gulch or the injuries from there.

Anyone been through the Grand Gulch and exited through Bullet Canyon? I'm planning on heading down there with my wife and her parents but I've read that there may be some scrambling exiting Bullet...